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Love the overall direction. First thing that really stood out to me was that Escher get simultaneously hit by 3 nerfs: Leaders, Champs and Juves get their Iniative reduced to 3+ (affecting battlefield mobility as much as the desired outcome of reducing Spring Up). Lasguns have a price increase...

Yeah, I agree ideally that FW are non-linear. The first is meh, the second is better, the last is gold. But to an extent you can let the fact that you're doing it instantaneously cover that. You're likely fighting a T4 character one round and a T3 the next because multiple FW outcomes are...

Also, I think your numbers on SI and Flesh Wounds are off. At the moment a Pinned T1 Fighter is worth 550pts whereas a SI Fighter is worth 500. A Pinned T1 Fighter is still a threat whereas an SI Fighter is not: so an SI result should be worth more. I think a SI T1 Fighter is just worse than...

@Thorgor that's exactly what I was getting at! I think the next step is defining the scenarios. I think 'Short/Long/Out-of-range' and 'vs tough' is too generic. The list I posted earlier I think is better. It adds up to over 100% because it's actually 5 different variables mixed together...

True Grit says: "Against attacks with Damage 1, roll two dice – the player controlling the fighter with True Grit, can then choose one dice to discard before the effects of the other are resolved." How does this work against attacks without Damage (Toxin and Gas) or Injury rolls caused by...

@Kiro. It depends a lot on terrain. If you're looking at a table where you can hide from fighters so that they need to Move + Shoot to draw a bead on you then Pinning is really quite important for managing the overall fight. But yes, much less significant than a Blaze or SI. Not...

SI is also the point that kicks in for Nerve tests, which can actually be extremely important. I really don't think you can dismiss Pinned and Burning etc as results. Compare a Flamer and a Chem-thrower: whilst Chem-throwers are scary against 2+ w characters, flamers are more generally useful...

That's why you have to give them an advance to 3+ WS

Flame Templates > Chem Throwers. Primarily template weapons are crowd control: Pinning and Blaze mean that even when you absolutely fail to kill anything, you've probably still disrupted your opponent's plan. Whereas Chem-throwers are far more 'all or nothing': basically either it takes out the...

Why are the Escher and Van Saar Ratskin Aux different? Why Move 4" as standard?

I think there's actually four 'success' conditions that need to be considered: 1. What is the likelihood that this weapon will pin the target in [scenario]? 2. What is the likelihood that this weapon will do damage to the target in [scenario]? 3. What is the likelihood that this weapon will put...

There is not one best weapon at the 30pt and below bracket. Lasguns in Escher come close, but if you put it in the right spot at the right time then a shotgun or Long Las will outperform it. So I think you should run mainly Lasguns but mixing in weapons that give you tactical options isn't...

Why Whip over Power Knife? Power Knife seems 1000% better than the Whip on a CC champ.

Sure, understand (and to a large extent agree with) the conceit. The issue is that it advantages gangs with easy access to Bolters, Combat Shotguns and Blunderbus'. These are 'Special Weapon'-like while not strictly being Special Weapons (and out-perform many actual Special Weapons). Not really...

Yup. "So, my juve can get a Hand Flamer after he's had one advance, but my Ganger can't get a Long Las...." But yes, I don't find 'Special Weapons' to be a useful category. It would be better as a trait so that it could be applied to Pistols and CCWs as well. It's interesting that 'Extravagant...

Yeah, if house ruling that 'only Leaders/Champ/Specialists can take special weapons' my response would be: "cool, then either make Bolters, Combat Shotguns and Blunderbus' count as Special Weapons or Needle Rifles, Long Las and Long Rifles count as Basic Weapons". Both groups of weapons sit in...

Yeah, that makes sense. And given that a Ganger with Needle Rifle + Lasgun + Chem-synch = Ganger with Bolter for cost. You're better off just running Orlocks with Bolters across the board. That's not entirely unexpected, but it is disappointing. You can probably skew the numbers a little bit...

@MrAndersen. Thanks for that, I took a look. It doesn't look like you ran the numbers for Needle Rifles or other special weapons? That seems like a glaring discrepancy for Escher. I'm basically convinced that Escher are 'designed' around Needle Rifle + Lasgun Gangers.

Not having a go, and it doesn't change my answer (I think Necromunda is best played with an eye on what's technically 'good 'but also with a bit of flavour and my suggestions leverage Escher's characterful options well) but do you have the analysis to back up your answer, I'm actually quite...

With Escher the absolute go to skill is Spring Up. It's just way too useful in pretty much any situation. On CC fighters Move + Dive For Cover is a staple unless you're fighting vs lots of templates or blast weapons. It gets you a 7.5" move and results in you being immune to most return fire...