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If you've got two ways to advance (income & xp) then having one or the other dominate isn't going to solve it automatically. If one side or the other dominates then how that functions is going to be how the system as a whole functions. A linear/diminishing returns hybrid xp system dominating...

@almic85 have you switched to talking about the old version? Seems like you comments are talking about the old system of normalised income. But fixed income - attrition is still a linear progression unless for some reason attrition is consistently ramping up. If everyone's income is I and...

But again, nothing there encourages or discourages building a list efficiently. If you're interested in winning, you'll build the most efficient choice. Allowing a snowball, at whatever rate, doesn't discourage or encourage it. If you're saying the only reason people would ever take sub...

Nothing stops you from taking efficient choices when you have unrestricted growth. You can take efficient choices and still be the one snowballing ahead of everyone. In fact the one with efficient choices is more likely to be the one doimg the snowballing. The place to address intra-list...

Almost any game uses diminishing returns as you level. I don't think it's the case you inevitability have one person bored at the top. The aim is to have no one as the top dog by keeping gangs closer together. You then have consistently fair games where people will all experience attrition...

I was just checking, because that sounds like the primary aim functioning correctly, rather than a secondary consequence. I can't think of a negative secondary consequence, could anyone suggest one?

Is there a problem with them reducing their advantage? If they have to reduce to be more efficient that is preferable than just being allowed to bloat without any controls.

@Amarok Right, but those are about gang composition and nothing really to do with campaign balance. Unless you restrict enough things to act as a cap anyway you don't stop the problem of snowballing or people being left behind. You have the structural problems remain and then gang...

This is similar to what I've said in the Dakka thread. In my opinion you want 1, 2 and 3. You don't need point 4 because #1 done properly achieves this elegantly and in much less dissatisfying way. People don't want to hit a cap because it feels like they are being punished for winning. So...

I watched the twitch video. He said it. If you are a subscriber it should be the last time he was on - towards the end of the hour

Andy H was on twitch talking about how Escher 5pt Lasguns were intended to allow them to pin. It is certainly on purpose.

They need to hire some mathematicians/people familiar with logic to write rules and not these flighty wordy people! I'm very much not one for GW bashing and I think N17 core concepts are better than the old ... but come on, these rules are so inelegantly written and some of the balancing is...

I still have it somewhere, I'll put it up tonight if I find it!

It was always a little silly these things were there... but the miniatures exist so there's a need for the rules

Lasguns on gangers, shotguns for champions, dual pistols on juves Then wonder why pretty much all the Escher equipment was made to be poor

A rapid fire 1 heavy stubber is totally worthless. Correct

Well they must be resin, then if they are coming soon they must be released in Escher/Goliath/Orlock specific packs. I would imagine something similar to the BB team boosters. 4 Juves for £20

I mean some were terrible compared with the other commonly available stuff. Heavy stubber was priced reasonably, a heavy bolter was too - stuff like the lascannon, meltagun, autocannon were vastly overcosted to the point you were basically playing handicapped. Almost all the rare trade...

I conclude that GW are not infallible - they won't be able to explain everything and every situation I'm pretty sure if I asked every single person working on the game if they cared if I took a Boltgun on my Escher leader, using the Escher leader with a Boltgun model then they are going to...

Of course they are. The rules are there to enable old collections. They don't need the Escher and Goliath Leader/Champion/Ganger/Juve stats, skills, costs so they aren't printed. If you have someone refusing to let you use your Escher leader with a Boltgun using the shared armoury...