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    N18 Van Saar starting roster experiment

    Good catch there. However you can upgrade from any lower cyberteknika at any time, but it puts you in recovery.
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    N18 Van Saar starting roster experiment

    Right, you're arguing that standard Bionics only repair not remove/enhance the fighter. I wonder if GW would rule on that in an email. I've tried to look around for a minimum purchase requirement using Savvy Trader. I can't find it. When I write the "2x savvy trader" means two seperate...
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    N18 Van Saar starting roster experiment

    Do you know if Games Workshop has said anything on this? I feel like the opening pparagraph to bionics may not enhance but when you then read individual descriptions it kind of does, ex. The bionic arm. For example, why would the Bionic Arm state: "remove the effects of a lasting injury", and...
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    N18 Van Saar starting roster experiment

    Ive got I have gotten into this discussion on anither YT channel, ill just repost: "So I could see an arbitrator deciding to play it either way through theme. 1/ the campaign then could be low grade cybernetics that would hurt Van Saars potential. Just replacing function. 2/ advanced grade...
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    N18 Van Saar starting roster experiment

    Yes, that's correct on Cyberteknika with Archeoteks. But what I mean for the Prime, is not cyberteknika, but Savvy Trader and Tek Merchant discount Bionics from the Trading Post. The more an enemy gang hurts my CC units without killing them the stronger they return.
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    N18 Van Saar starting roster experiment

    I haven't read the rules on leader death, but I look at the Prime's injuries as a great motivator for discount Bionics. The mentor ability might reward the Archeotek neadby as well. In addition the Prime has a las carbine which im sure will be put to good use. I don't have an answer for...
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    N18 Van Saar starting roster experiment

    So Im still reading on group activations. Archeteks dont have it because they dont have the Leader trait correct? One thing i was thinking of doing instead to counter act this maybe, is to use my Prime like an Archeotek instead, and opt to run an Augmek, and one CC Archeotek. Prime: 2 servo...
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    N18 Van Saar starting roster experiment

    Yes, I did Bran. I would get a Cyber Spider maybe Game 1 or Game2. Getting one a start is an option but would trade out the "Juve exp. Sponge".
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    N18 Van Saar starting roster experiment

    Right, i understand the value of Versatile 3" now. 4" move becomes, 4"+d3+3" being 8-11" inches. Then 10-13" with movements upgrades from bionics or experience. This also adds to how powerful the Spider Rig is with Versatile and Shock traits. You then add the Cyber-spider pet for "fearless"...
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    N18 Van Saar starting roster experiment

    Shoot, messed up on the WS post comparison, I had.
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    N18 Van Saar starting roster experiment

    Interesting gear take, increase your Flamer Neotek with +1-2Move and Sprint for 21" board access with a flamer. Upgrade Lasgun Neotek with Flamer on Promotion. You're right on the Lasgun at start, but Game 2.
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    N18 Van Saar starting roster experiment

    So one thing I realized is the use of these two Archeotek builds vs. House Goliath: "Goliath Fighter" Servo Claw Laspistol (at start) Flail (free from Savvy Trader Game 2) Mesh Sindextrous Alpha (free) 195credits +(10 Lasgun cr game 2) Note: This build is specific to House Goliaths vs...
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    N18 Van Saar starting roster experiment

    I hear you, 200-300 creds is not cheap. But they have long term growth potential. I see three stages of growth: tekno monk, weapons tek, upgrade tek. Also the Flail is the weapon the Archeotek needs, it gives him +1WS and +1S. I playtested my rolls with it and it really helps. Entangle...
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    N18 Van Saar starting roster experiment

    Also, the other thing I just realized is Flails give +1WS & +1S, which might make them very good. Im going to have to adjust a loadout.
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    N18 Van Saar starting roster experiment

    Neat ideas. Your assist theory was what I was wanting to do with my original CC list with mass Subteks. It would have allowed an Archeotek with a juve on each side if they aren't pinned. Typically outnumbering unpinned Goliaths by at least 2vs1.
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    N18 Van Saar starting roster experiment

    I'd hire him before game 2 if not allowed, would give me 1 more Subtek and a back up lasgun, no biggy.
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    N18 Van Saar starting roster experiment

    I get how you're using the shield to draw priority and tank shots. Im practiced with the Gang Creator. As it stands: My final Gang List Prime: Plasmagun Lasgun Mesh Savvy Trader =255cr Archeotek #1 "tekno monk" Lasgun Mesh Torsonic Gamma Savvy Trader =165 Archetek #2 "tekno monk" Same load...