N18 an interesting house rule about hanger on and brutes

[Beebopalulla]

I think an house rule that i ve seen i think should be made an offcial change rules. Separating hangers on and brutes in three groupe. Brutes in one groupe. Hanger on with an impact during a battle in another one and a third group for hanger on that has impact before or after the battle. I will put in that category hangers on and brutes that can affect both combat and the other phases. With maybe an upkeep cost?

But a separation by category will help clarify the rule. you could have one brute and one hanger on at start and the treshold to get more brutes and hangers will be more imprtant.

I don't know how to makes poll or even if i have the right to do it at my rank? I m just curious to see how many people agrre that hnagers on and brutes should be separate when it comes to recruiting them.

 

[Aulenback]

Asking to be sure I understand your suggested house rule correctly:

So you would make two categories of "Reputation limited" fighters - one being a combination of Brutes and those hangers-on (like Ammo Jacks) that have an effect DURING a scenario, and the other being all hangers-on (like whisper merchant) who have an effect OUTSIDE a scenario?

And at each Reputation threshold, you could add one of each? (One of each at 1 Reputation, 2 of each at 5 Reputation, 3 of each at 10 Reputation, and so on.)

In effect, doubling the number of outside fighters (Brutes/Hangers-On) that you could hire in to your gang at each threshold? Is that the proposal?

If I understand it correctly, that doesn't seem as though it makes the Reputation thresholds more important, in many ways the opposite, as it is effectively halving the effect it has?

 

[Beebopalulla]

Asking to be sure I understand your suggested house rule correctly:

So you would make two categories of "Reputation limited" fighters - one being a combination of Brutes and those hangers-on (like Ammo Jacks) that have an effect DURING a scenario, and the other being all hangers-on (like whisper merchant) who have an effect OUTSIDE a scenario? And at each Reputation threshold, you could add one of each? In effect, doubling the number of outside fighters (Brutes/Hangers-On) that you could hire in to your gang at each threshold? One of each at 1 Reputation, two of each at 5 Reputation, and so on? Is that the proposal?

If I understand it correctly, that doesn't seem as though it makes the Reputation thresholds more important, in many ways the opposite, as it is effectively halving the effect it has?

What? also i must appologize writing and watching my todler is not easy.

it's not my house rule. It's something i ve seen an separation of hangers on and brutes. From there there i thought That "reputation limited fighters " as you call them should each have a category. So yes maybe at first the treshold will be lower but it's after the treshold will be higher.

As for the poll i m simply curious to know how many people think that hangers on and brutes should be left as their are or separate.

I renew my appology for my unclear and erratic phrasing.

 

[Bilbostomper]

Do brutes have to be limited by reputation at all? That's what I'm wondering. I'd think that if they're just limited like champions and leaders by not having the gang fighter rule, that would be enough.

 

[Aulenback]

Do brutes have to be limited by reputation at all? That's what I'm wondering. I'd think that if they're just limited like champions and leaders by not having the gang fighter rule, that would be enough.

Brutes and Hangers On and Hired Guns don't count with the Gang Hierarchy fighters against the Gang Fighter (X) composition limits, so that would be another House Rule, to make them do so.

"Hangers-on and Brutes do not count towards the number of fighters in the gang for the purposes of determining how many fighters of other types the gang may contain." "The total number of models with the Gang Fighter (X) special rule in the gang must always be equal to, or higher than, the total number of models without the Gang Fighter (X) special rule combined, not counting Hangers-on or Hired Guns."

They are just limited by Reputation (and credit costs).

 

[Bilbostomper]

I know. I was wondering if making them limited by gang hierarchy instead of reputation would be better. Additionally, maybe the brute handler could help with that limitation.

 

[SirWalterManny]

Don’t think I’ve ever played against a gang with more than a single Brute. Not even sure I’ve even played in a campaign where any gang has more than a single Brute.

Definitely agree with splitting Brute’s away from hangers on. Never really understood why they were lumped together.

But keep it simple.

Hanger’s on linked to Reputation as now.

Plus maximum 1x Brute (or if an arbitrator wants, 2 or 3 times brutes).

 

[Lunarcruiser]

Don’t think I’ve ever played against a gang with more than a single Brute. Not even sure I’ve even played in a campaign where any gang has more than a single Brute.

I have. They are called Slave Ogryn gangs.
Last Slave Ogryn gangs I had ended up with one rouge doc (to repair the Lobo slaves administrator allowed it), and Awakened Ogryn (just for bonkers fun) And a Sump beast for flavour and with it's versatile option to pretend I had some pistol action. Plus my Lobo Shield Wall.

Definitely agree with splitting Brute’s away from hangers on. Never really understood why they were lumped together.

I suppose it makes a player choose between off game benefits and raw combat power.

 

[Covenant]

We need a tier-list of Hanger's-on, Hive-Scum, Brutes and so on, and based on this list, you can have for example multiple brutes or bountyhunters per Reputation. If a brute is too expensive compared to the others, I would not mind, if there are two. On the other hand, I realy don't want to play against two OP Brutes... XD

 

[spafe]

I dont like that house rule. However I do think there could be some way to improve the system as currently brutes are the obvs go to as soon as they can be afforded and other hangers on are a very much 'cheap' 2nd consideration if you cannot afford another brute

Not sure what the system should be mind. I quite like the idea of all brutes being 0-1, with the brute handler allowing you to hire a 2nd brute (therefore with a x cred for the handler cost increase), making each one after the 1st more expensive. It will encourage other hangers on being used