N18 Athera's Hounds Outcast Help

[League]

Greetings, hivers!

I was wondering if you could lend me a hand of assistance in creating the following Outcast Gang.
It goes as follows

Athera & Stix (Leader, Plasma Pistol, Carapace Armor -Light, Caryatid, Master Crafted chainaxe, Nerves of Steel, Acrobatic, Combat Master) 200pts
Nyx Ambot (Tunneling Claw, Carapace Armor - Light) 215pts
Gunner ( Suspensor, Mesh, Heavy bolter ) 295pts
Hive Scum x4 ( Flak Armor, Reclaimed Autogun) 200
Hive Scum X2 ( Reclaimed Autopistol x2 Maul x1 Knife x1) 90

Would you enlighten me about point cost of Athera and Stix? Also, what is the better loadouts for hive scum? I plan to use them as a fodder and couple of them might be the ones doing Coup de Grace.
Game plan simple, Ambot go kill, Athera go Kill other support. In our upcoming campaign I will play against Nomads with a Duneskuttler or simply the "Bug", venator gang with GS leader build, Nerves of Steel ogryn champ and duel plasma move 6 champ. Last but not least, Corpse Grinder. Oh booooi, I am going for a ride but I am determined to show them outcasts are a real thang !

Last time, I won a campaogn as Slaanesh Chaos Cult and it was a challenge. Now I want to go all in and let Athera smash everyone with her high heels. Looking forward for you thoughts.

 

[Hobo86]

pointcost...
-I did not find an official pointcost as an outcast leader, you could discuss/agree this with your arbitrator?

hive scum:
-you could take one/a few with shotguns as melee support
-if you intend for the ambot/athera to do the killing you could pick lasguns for forcing pinning checks instead of the outguns and/or you could use smoke grenades to cover your advance (I would pick er... a maximum of lasguns, they're also a bit Escher themed)
-as support melee; flails may be better due to that entangle rule

Gunner:
-what skill will you take on him? is he a specialist or a champion?

 

[League]

pointcost...
-I did not find an official pointcost as an outcast leader, you could discuss/agree this with your arbitrator?

hive scum:
-you could take one/a few with shotguns as melee support
-if you intend for the ambot/athera to do the killing you could pick lasguns for forcing pinning checks instead of the outguns and/or you could use smoke grenades to cover your advance (I would pick er... a maximum of lasguns, they're also a bit Escher themed)
-as support melee; flails may be better due to that entangle rule

Gunner:
-what skill will you take on him? is he a specialist or a champion?

About pointcost. So i just counted all of her wargear and added to the cost of the Outcast Leader. That's pretty much itnl. Sadly, unlike Gorshiv, Athera doesn't have any points. I guess that's cuz you petition her.

Good idea. I think adding shotguns would be a nice touch. Templates always work. I've read in the Outcast book that Outcast gang can associate with the house. Does that mean if mine associates with house escher I can buy 5pts lasguns?

About gunner. Yeah, thats a champ. I just call him Gunner haha. I was wondering if i should give him nerves of steel to stay relevant. Cool 7 not the best tho. Any ideas?

 

[League]

I did a mistake in calculations I think. Athera with her equip is 295. Thats not counting caryatid. Leader cost 125 + 40 MC ChainAxe + 50 Plasma pistol + 80 carapace. Thats 295 without Stix. Dang

 

[Hobo86]

on account of her stats and skills you would likely need an even higher price
she has +1 WS, 2 skills and a special rule over the generic leader
I would rate her higher but I think somebody who actually played the model should make a better informed guess

it would appear so.

if your gunner picks the gunslinger profile: trickshot might work well with the heavy bolter, better hit chances for that precious ammo.
other weapons would combine better with other skills. be careful on that ammo-roll...

 

[League]

on account of her stats and skills you would likely need an even higher price
she has +1 WS, 2 skills and a special rule over the generic leader
I would rate her higher but I think somebody who actually played the model should make a better informed guess

it would appear so.

if your gunner picks the gunslinger profile: trickshot might work well with the heavy bolter, better hit chances for that precious ammo.
other weapons would combine better with other skills. be careful on that ammo-roll...

Agreed I will recount adding +1 WS. However, I dont know how many points i gotta add for 2 additional skills.

I will have to recount hive scum and probably take a couple of shotfuns and maybe dual wielding reclaimed autopistols. But I will have to run the without armor or only with flak.

I guess, yeah gunslinger with a trickshot would be interesting. I also was thinking to infiltrate him with a hand flamer and cc weapon maybe.

 

[Hobo86]

I won't suggest a price for Athera, but as plan B, perhaps Belladonna or Athera 'count as' belladonna (275) could also work?

don't forget the pinning potential of lasguns, if you have a few heavyweights like the ambot and your leader doing most of the killing, just pinning your opponents can help keep those 2 safe.

for your gunner; you also have access to the bolter, combat shotgun, grenade launcher & heavy stubber?

 

[League]

I won't suggest a price for Athera, but as plan B, perhaps Belladonna or Athera 'count as' belladonna (275) could also work?

don't forget the pinning potential of lasguns, if you have a few heavyweights like the ambot and your leader doing most of the killing, just pinning your opponents can help keep those 2 safe.

for your gunner; you also have access to the bolter, combat shotgun, grenade launcher & heavy stubber?

Thanks for reply. Sounds as a good idea. I might take Beladonnas price. I actually emailed to GW about this. Maybe they will advise something. I am starting to think that its easier to just run Gorshiv Hammerfist instead of Athera.
As for lasguns i will tweak the list a bit so I will have 2 lasgun gangers just for pinning purposes. Other 2 will run shotguns.

For my gunner champion, I still think Heavy Bolter is a way to go, since it can punch through pretty much through anything in Necromunda. And we are playing on a really dense terrain tables, so I guess my melee fighters will be able to survive more with good positioning.

 

[Aulenback]

Reddit has a decent number of questions asking about elevating House Agents, and no answers, beyond "try to get a good estimate with your arbitrator"....