N18 Beginners Question Box

[Ben_S]

I don't play the modern (post-2017) Necromunda, so I could be wrong about this. But, that said, he's what I think...

Gangs of the Underhive is basically obsolete now, having been replaced by the House of... books. So, it isn't designed to be paired with the 2023 core book. It might work, but there might be things that don't fit neatly. (Be prepared for that anyway!)

If you have access to the 2018 book + Gangs of the Underhive, then (I assume) you could simply play the game as it was in 2018. But you wouldn't be on the most up to date edition. That shouldn't really be a problem, but it might be an issue if you did ever want to play with other people outside your group.

p.s. You could try looking (or re-posting) in this thread:

N18 - Beginners Question Box

Dont know where to start? Dont know which books to buy? Is the Starter set worth buying? As far as Necromunda rules go, there is no such thing as a stupid question, so ask away! FAQ:

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[SamBridgesisSolidS]

Thanks so much for the reply and advice...I'll also try reposting...once I figure out how to. Lol

 

[DArquebus]

1) As few books as possible. - Fair
2) Core rules. - 2023 Core Book is most up to date. That said the Core 'Hive War' Box comes with Delaque, Escher, largely correct Rulebook, and some terrain and Dice. So also an option.
3) Core gang rules. - Gangs of the Underhive is the gangs lite. All 6 House gangs but missing the extra stuff they added into the House Books. The House of Books add in the extra juice for each House. I'd suggest the House of... Books are stronger than the gangs made with only the Gangs of the Underhive book. With an easy going group, this shouldn't matter. The Gangs of the Underhive is largely redundant if you go the House of... option. But the rules still work...
4 )Psypher powers for House Delaque. - Only in the House of Shadows.
5) the option to expand into other gangs later if we catch the bug. - Already have it for the 6 House gangs if you get Gangs of the Underhive. Or you would need each House of... Book instead if you wanted the extra Brutes/ Champions/ gear options and rules for individual gangs. Alternatively for other gangs you just need the appropriate book they are listed in - e.g. Chaos Cults, Genestealer Cults etc in Book of Ruin. This is also true if you are after a different style of campaign.

Was suggested that I repost in this thread...sorry if this is wrong...I'm new and don't use forums often...here goes..

Hello all I'm new to Necromunda and have fallen down the rabit hole...watched 40+ videos on what to buy and am still very confused... this is my situation and what I HOPE will suffice.


I will only be playing in home games, no ashen waste, no gaming clubs...just close friends.

What I want?

1) As few books as possible.
2) Core rules.
3) Core gang rules.
4 )Psypher powers for House Delaque.
5) the option to expand into other gangs later if we catch the bug.


Can I accomplish the above with either list A or list B.

List A) 2018 Core book, Gangs of the Underhive and Book of Outcasts.

List B) 2023 Core Book and Gangs of Underhive.

Thanks so much for your experience I'm starting to get overwhelmed with all of the options that I don't want and am about to quit before I play my 1st game....I thought this would be like blood bowl. Where I would just buy a starter box, terrain and gangs....apparently I was wrong. Lol

 

[SamBridgesisSolidS]

1) As few books as possible. - Fair
2) Core rules. - 2023 Core Book is most up to date. That said the Core 'Hive War' Box comes with Delaque, Escher, largely correct Rulebook, and some terrain and Dice. So also an option.
3) Core gang rules. - Gangs of the Underhive is the gangs lite. All 6 House gangs but missing the extra stuff they added into the House Books. The House of Books add in the extra juice for each House. I'd suggest the House of... Books are stronger than the gangs made with only the Gangs of the Underhive book. With an easy going group, this shouldn't matter. The Gangs of the Underhive is largely redundant if you go the House of... option. But the rules still work...
4 )Psypher powers for House Delaque. - Only in the House of Shadows.
5) the option to expand into other gangs later if we catch the bug. - Already have it for the 6 House gangs if you get Gangs of the Underhive. Or you would need each House of... Book instead if you wanted the extra Brutes/ Champions/ gear options and rules for individual gangs. Alternatively for other gangs you just need the appropriate book they are listed in - e.g. Chaos Cults, Genestealer Cults etc in Book of Ruin. This is also true if you are after a different style of campaign.

Thanks so much for the reply....sounds like the house books are pretty cool.. would it be a good experience Playing with the 2018 core book + Gangs of Underhive and then expanding into the house books much later?

Would using the 2023 Core book and gangs of Underhive with the option of expanding into the house books later be a better experience?

 

[DArquebus]

Be about the same mate.

2023 Rulebook captures a bunch of the FAQs (which you can just download separately or even play without *gasp* . And the Vehicle rules, which are mostly for Ash Wastes and probably irrelevant to you given you werent keen on Ash Wastes

 

[El Torro]

You don't want to get a starter box set? Hive War comes with a lot of accessories that will be useful for you. It even has 10 Delaque models, which seems to be your choice of starter gang. The rulebook in Hive War will get you started, though for proper campaigns and more options I would say that the 2023 Core rulebook is pretty essential.

Gangs of the Underhive is indeed obsolete, though it can get you started, with the added bonus that you can use it for all House gangs, not just Delaque. If you get the House of book for your chosen gang you will have more options, though if you're just starting out I would say that Gangs of the Underhive is not a bad choice, as long as you don't overpay for it.

As you have discovered there are many (many!) books available for Necromunda. Generally speaking they are all useful, with some being more useful than others. Other than the book that your gang comes in and the 2023 Rulebook I wouldn't say that any of them are essential though.

 

[SamBridgesisSolidS]

Thanks for the reply eltoro, Valuable information. I get that the starter Set has skirmish rules but not campaign rules.

I understand that just the core and just 1 house is all I would need but that is not true for my situation....long story short I will be supporting 4 gangs.. I don't want to buy 4 house books and 4 gangs,. When this started i thought i would be buying Hive War, Goliath Gang box and Cawdoor Gang box and then building terrain over time. Not the case.

As it appears that each Gang is about $150...Core, Expansion Box, House Book.

I want to know the viability of playing with just the Gangs of the Underhive book....I mean...people played from 2017 until 2020 without house books right?
.

I will never play the Ash Wastes. Anything Ash Wastes is wasted page count for me.

NOTE: I have Hive War.

Considering that House of Chains in 2020 was a soft rebooaround the system, are we sure that GW won't start a new edition in 2025?


i have 2 options. Which will work best for 6 core gangs, psycher rules, campaign play and have good compatibility?

A) 2023 Core book, Gangs of Underhive.
B) 2018 Core Book, gangs of Underhive


Thanks again...I thought I had narrowed my original question down well but I guess I didn't. I'll try harder in the future.

 

[El Torro]

Go with Option A.

The Gangs of the Underhive book is fine for starting out, especially if all the gangs in the campaign will be using that book. If someone decides to buy their gang's House of book and use those rules then you will find that they have more powerful options than gangs that are just using the Gangs of the Underhive book. As long as you're clear from the outset then it'll be fine.

If you manage to get your friends hooked on the game then in future they might buy the necessary books for their gangs, easing the burden on your wallet. Best of luck

 

[SamBridgesisSolidS]

Go with Option A.

The Gangs of the Underhive book is fine for starting out, especially if all the gangs in the campaign will be using that book. If someone decides to buy their gang's House of book and use those rules then you will find that they have more powerful options than gangs that are just using the Gangs of the Underhive book. As long as you're clear from the outset then it'll be fine.

If you manage to get your friends hooked on the game then in future they might buy the necessary books for their gangs, easing the burden on your wallet. Best of luck

Thanks so much eltorro...i appreciate you taking the time to reply and clarify. HUGE RELIEF

 

[TopsyKretts]

Would using the 2023 Core book and gangs of Underhive with the option of expanding into the house books later be a better experience?

Yes. I'd strongly advice against using any rulebook before 2023. It was a huge leap in quality and you can see all the changes here:

N18 - Collected Errors/Typos in N23 Rulebook

A book that supposedly includes "every major aspect of the rules" with "all the FAQs and Errata from previous book". Additionally, there are many rules updates, most of which should be welcome (some have been discussed as far back as 2018 and many similar house rules have been proposed). Let's...

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Any rulebook (or any book really) before that is going to be a mess. Depends what you are willing to accept. A lot of us played with the continuously updated rules, so of course doable, but gets tiresome. Having a stable version now is a miracle. It not only includes FAQs, it includes loads more fixes and updates that were never FAQ'ed. It also reverts and 180° some bad rulings in FAQ (Psychic Power Continuous Effects for example).

 

[MusingWarboss]

When this started i thought i would be buying Hive War, Goliath Gang box and Cawdoor Gang box and then building terrain over time. Not the case

In some ways why not? The HW book has rules for all six gangs in the back that allow you to use the contents of each gangs first plastic box.

Sure, it doesn’t include Juves, any of the House books stuff or a full campaign but if you just wanted to start then it’s a brilliant way of getting some games in while you (or your friends) learn the rules.

The N23 Core then provides full rules and a campaign and trading post so you can upgrade to that after a while.

I’m not sure there’s much to gain from Gangs of the Underhive other than the missing Juve profile and some hirelings.*

Heck even the ways gangs progress and upgrade during a campaign changed in 2020 and rather assume you’ll have access to the House onwards books.

If you have to buy GotU don’t spend much money on it as it’s completely obsolete now and you or your friends will no doubt want the more comprehensive gang lists in later books sooner rather than later.

* Shhhhh

Spoiler: A little hint…

You can of course acquire these by visiting https://necrovox.org/

Along with everything else you need…

…until you buy the official books of course…

 

[Heart of Storm]

Broadly yes Core rulebook and Gangs of the Underhive gives you everything you need to play with the 6 house gangs in their original form. So it's a good "try before you really commit"

If you like the game then it's a case of buying the specific "house of.." book for that gang to get the more gang specific rules, specialist gangers and the like. It's to me the gentler way I to the game that means you don't have to commit to a house gang straight away.

Just be aware that the Gangs of the Underhive book will become obsolete when you get into the "house of" books so it's a bit of a sunken investment if you find yourselves enjoying the game and wanting to expand more

 

[Lunarcruiser]

If you have to buy GotU don’t spend much money on it as it’s completely obsolete now and you or your friends will no doubt want the more comprehensive gang lists in later books sooner rather than later.

It does have a few dramatic persona in it.
It's good to have to lend to new players it gives them a basic overview of the clan gangs for a introduction skirmish.

 

[Scabs]

Don't think of the 20+ rulebooks and expansions as MUST haves. The dang game played just fine with just the N17 boxset. I know, we did! The expansions and redo's were/are pretty much good/great. But, NOT required, This is YOUR game, play it YOUR way.

That's not a cop-out, it's a reminder they provided an incredible amount of stuff you can use, or not. Yes, probably too much. OK, definitely too much. But, too much is more better than too little.

That said, HW is all good. The expansion boxes are not a must have. And, if you do have them, then you are looking at House Books. Those are great, but not balanced, IMHO. Bottom line, look at this as stuff you might WANT to have, not what you MUST have. You can't go wrong with Necromunda!

 

[cardyfreak]

I’ve merged posts from a thread asking for starting rulebook advice with this thread, in case the last 15/20 posts seem a bit out of step or repeating themselves.

 

[Basic_Ganger]

Hello fellow scummers,
I'm really new to necromunda and am just putting together my first list for a game this weekend. I was hoping someone could answer a question on Goliath for me. If I have an unborn savant juve do they get a starting skill such as munitioneer?

 

[TopsyKretts]

Unborn gives access to a skill set as primary, not a skill. For most gangs (including Goliath), only leader & champs start with a skill. Gene-smithing can tweak definition of primary/secondary, change access to skill sets and even grant you additional skills during advancements, but none of them give you extra skill from start.

 

[Basic_Ganger]

Unborn gives access to a skill set as primary, not a skill. For most gangs (including Goliath), only leader & champs start with a skill. Gene-smithing can tweak definition of primary/secondary, change access to skill sets and even grant you additional skills during advancements, but none of them give you extra skill from start.

Thanks for the reply, so no starting skill they just get access to that skill tree as they progress. Wicked. If you don't mind me asking another... Is it normal for people to get sucked in hard without ever playing a game
I've got visions of terrain, gangs and back stories coming at me faster than I know what to do with. My wallet is gonna hate me!

 

[Pagumb]

Thanks for the reply, so no starting skill they just get access to that skill tree as they progress. Wicked. If you don't mind me asking another... Is it normal for people to get sucked in hard without ever playing a game
I've got visions of terrain, gangs and back stories coming at me faster than I know what to do with. My wallet is gonna hate me!

Yes. You've tapped into a rich vein of creativity you can explore for decades. Gets even better if you can find a good group or even just a couple of folks to game or campaign with.

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• Pagumb
• Jan 9, 2021

Some of the hobby stuff that needs to be completed.

 

[MusingWarboss]

Is it normal for people to get sucked in hard without ever playing a game

Oh yes. Very much so. The vast majority of people I’d think!!

There’s something about Necromunda new and old that just makes you want to build towering industrial complexes and have several gangs to fight over it all - even if you never or rarely ever do!!

Problem is once you do actually have a game you’ll end up with x1000 more ideas for things to build!!!