Cawdor/GW4 Speculations/Discussions

[Petitioner's City]

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-NL/Cawdor-Weapons-Set1-2018

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-NL/Cawdor-Weapons-Set2

The Flamer weapon packs for Cawdor are finally out!

Flavorful, but not very useful pack tbh, no high-tier weapon.

Somebody seem to enjoy the idea that "Cawdor are too poor to afford plasma weapon" I think that is a very wrong way to assume them that way.

Maybe not too poor - but the assumptions in the Cawdor list seems to be that plasma (and melta) aren't things you make via duct tape and prayers? I imagine the HWL representing the especially gifted weaponsmiths of the house - the people who actually combine the scrap the gangers and mendicants of the house find - and sell on to other Cawdors.

Cawdor can of course with some luck buy their plasma at the trading post (from guilders and maybe other house merchants) - after all, it's more fire for the heretics! Alongside the strangely missing lasguns and shotguns...

But in the real world, these are lovely kits - it's great to see how Specialist Games have gone to the max with the Cawdor aesthetic!

 

[DerekDecker]

Maybe not too poor - but the assumptions in the Cawdor list seems to be that plasma (and melta) aren't things you make via duct tape and prayers? I imagine the HWL representing the especially gifted weaponsmiths of the house - the people who actually combine the scrap the gangers and mendicants of the house find - and sell on to other Cawdors.

Cawdor can of course with some luck buy their plasma at the trading post (from guilders and maybe other house merchants) - after all, it's more fire for the heretics! Alongside the strangely missing lasguns and shotguns...

They could have recycled, scavenged working/damaged plasma (or any weapon really) from the field, or the garbage dump. My interpretation of the new Cawdor is that they aren't poor, just that all the money go into the higher up like Leader and Champ. Given the job they do, they're the sole force that keep the hive from Ash-waste-fication, and make sure your house didn't swimming in garbage., that'd easily net them a fortune for that service.

Also no Grenade Launcher, there was no excuse for this, this is literally some of the easiest weapons to make. They even said so in the book.

 

[cronevald]

The packs have always been consistent with the (post GW3) house weapon lists though. I wouldn't expect the Cawdor or Delaque packs to be any different. I thought they said on one of the past Twitch streams that if you want weapons outside the house lists you'd need to do some converting.

 

[Petitioner's City]

They could have recycled, scavenged working/damaged plasma (or any weapon really) from the field, or the garbage dump. My interpretation of the new Cawdor is that they aren't poor, just that all the money go into the higher up like Leader and Champ. Given the job they do, they're the sole force that keep the hive from Ash-waste-fication, and make sure your house didn't swimming in garbage., that'd easily net them a fortune for that service.

Also no Grenade Launcher, there was no excuse for this, this is literally some of the easiest weapons to make. They even said so in the book.

Nice interpretation there!

And yes, good catch about the GL.

 

[Gunkaiser]

That heavy stubber pose looks really awkward... the heavy flamer on the other hand is bloody amazing. Looks like something Bandit brand would make (Borderlands)

 

[Trafalgar Law]

They've got the crossbow thingy. So don't need grenade launchers as well.

I'm more disappointed that they don't have reclaimed versions of lasguns and shotguns.

The heavy stubber pose is very awkward, but I think they were limited in what they could do because of the pose they chose for the crossbow.

 

[cronevald]

I'm more disappointed that they don't have reclaimed versions of lasguns and shotguns.

I've said many times that shotguns should be on all the house lists as they were such a staple in the old game. The shotgunners were often my favorite models from the old metals. Van Saar I can forgive as they've got the suppression las version, but I'm quite tempted to houserule it onto the Cawdor list.

 

[SumpRat]

They do have two shotgun poses, but they could do with more.

 

[cronevald]

They do have two shotgun poses, but they could do with more.

But those are sawn-offs, aren't they? I do like the poses but I want the real deal.

 

[Aulenback]

Can we assume the shock baton listed in the description is a misprint? I can't account for it in the pictures and it would be a deviation from their house weapon list.

Yeah, the chain glaive wouldn't really be a "baton," either. The only thing I can see that they MIGHT mean is the pipe wrench with the nails strapped to it, centre-right in the first image. But that's a pretty liberal use of "shock baton" for a 40k setting. More like a maul.

Also, lovely weapons for Diggaz, too!

 

[Stoof]

The only thing I can see that they MIGHT mean is the pipe wrench with the nails strapped to it, centre-right in the first image. But that's a pretty liberal use of "shock baton"

If you leap out of the shadows and clobber someone with it there's a reasonable chance of them being shocked

 

[TopsyKretts]

Why would they include grenade launcher when they have the crossbow?

 

[Trafalgar Law]

I seem to have my usual problem with these kits. I want some bits from kit 1 and some from kit 2. I much prefer the heavy flamer and long rifle but the close combat weapons are much better in the other kit. Going to have to chose which I prefer now.

 

[MusingWarboss]

I seem to have my usual problem with these kits. I want some bits from kit 1 and some from kit 2. I much prefer the heavy flamer and long rifle but the close combat weapons are much better in the other kit. Going to have to chose which I prefer now.

I ended up buying two kits previously.

Thankfully I can probably find a use for the other parts in a kitbash or conversion somewhere.

Is there anyone you can split a kit 50/50 with? Maybe a friend who does Inquisition or Blanchitsu stuff? Perhaps even a Chaos Cult player who would like some alternative looking kit??

 

[TabulaRasa]

They could have recycled, scavenged working/damaged plasma (or any weapon really) from the field, or the garbage dump. My interpretation of the new Cawdor is that they aren't poor, just that all the money go into the higher up like Leader and Champ. Given the job they do, they're the sole force that keep the hive from Ash-waste-fication, and make sure your house didn't swimming in garbage., that'd easily net them a fortune for that service.

Also no Grenade Launcher, there was no excuse for this, this is literally some of the easiest weapons to make. They even said so in the book.

This is the same old tune of what we as player project as feasible. I respect your view on the fluff, and agree that it is the load outs of the kits are in general quite frustrating, but it's quite clear that the developers doesn't share in your view on what's easily accessible (or of interest) to, in this instance, House Cawdor. The world of 40k rarely follows the logic of the real world. For instance how would the genestealer cults of secundus be able to survive with the lack of food stuff they would be subjected to after being quarantined in a place with a complete lack of natural food stuff? Remember that Necromunda is dependant on an influx of off world nutrients.

 

[DerekDecker]

For instance how would the genestealer cults of secundus be able to survive with the lack of food stuff they would be subjected to after being quarantined in a place with a complete lack of natural food stuff? Remember that Necromunda is dependant on an influx of off world nutrients.

That is plausible considered that the outbreak was caused by a Tech priest Biologis, dude probably can grow a farm to feed the hive.

 

[TabulaRasa]

That is plausible considered that the outbreak was caused by a Tech priest Biologis, dude probably can grow a farm to feed the hive.

This is what I mean, since it's no official wordings you can always come up with one argument or another as to how things function or is. And that's great if it helps you build your campaign but doesn't really function as a way to argue what makes for good design decisions. Then it just becomes a way for you to try and justify your POW. Clearly the developers want to keep Cawdor scrappy without high tech and in their eyes a plasma gun is obviously something that you just don't scavenge from scrap. Since nothing's been put down in writing as to the ease of scavenging a plasma weapon we can come up with arguments both for and against. Sure the top echelons of Cawdor is mentioned as living in affluence, but exactly who is considered being part of the top of this particular food chain? Leaders and champions might be considered being too lowly to warrant this luxury - and if so falling to pride and vanity by owning one. So IMO this is best used as a way to spice up your own games rather then trying to come up with arguments against the decisions of the developers. If you disagree with them you'd be much better off trying to convince your gaming group.