N18 CGC weapons still in the trading post?

[inquisitorrevan]

with the new core rule book now out a discussion has arisen in our group about CGC weapons in the trading post.

One side of the coin (not my opinion) is the new book is a consolidation with all the trading post items already in it.

the other side of the debate. the new core rules don't ignore the house books or the books of etc so they're still part of the trading post they just were not reprinted in there because its the core rules and GW are not reprinting anything from the books of or house books so what they say still stands?

 

[TopsyKretts]

All items already in it? GW never made such a thing!

 

[inquisitorrevan]

in short, we're playing the N95 esq rule variant in the new book and I wanted to give my Ogryns butchers cleavers or boning swords...I also want to chaos corrupt them but that's a different story. I've been told, "They're not in the new TP/BM so you don't have access to them and can't take them". Why would the new book not allow this? and is there anyway way of convincing someone that it should in fact be allowed

 

[TopsyKretts]

I don't see any reason why the new book won't allow this. A lot of content is not in the new book. Can quote someone who investigated this closer than me:

From my notes, omitted from Trading Post in new rulebook (some, e.g. unique weapons, for obvious reasons) - there may well be more from recent apocrypha and Dramatis personnae.

Ammo types
Plantbuster,
Phosphor,
Rad
Gunk

Pistols
Archaeo Duelling Pistol (WarComm Apocrypha)

Grenades:
Anti-plant
Gunk Bombs
Vortex Grenade (WarComm Apocrypha)

Close Combat:
Barbed Flabellum (WarComm Apocrypha)
Digi-Multi Lasers (WarComm Apocrypha)
Haemophagic Blade (WarComm Apocrypha)

Wargear:
Iron Automata [counts as Brute hanger-on]
Camoelean Elixer (WarComm Apocrypha)
Draconian Scales (WarComm Apocrypha)
Guilder Cartograph (Book of Peril)
Mirror Aegis (WarComm Apocrypha)
Psychofamile Pheromone (WarComm Apocrypha)

Unique Weapons
- Apollo’s Cage Boltgun (Apollo’s Cage)
- Orlock Master-crafted Boltgun (House of Iron)
- Enforcer Boltgun (+ammo) (Book of Judgment)
- Enforcer Shotgun (+ammo) (Book of Judgment)
- Las Carbine (House of Artefice)
- Mutie Bow
- Cawdor Pole-arm (House of Faith)
- Stubcannon (House of Chains)
- Subjugation Pattern Grenade Launcher (+ammo) (Book of Judgment)
- Suppression Laser (House of Artefice)
- Wyrd Bow (+ ammo) (House of Blades)
- Artisan Needle pistol w/auto loader (Baertrum Arturo the 3rd)
- (Ammo) Manstopper Rounds
- (Ammo) Fragmentation Rounds
- Orlock Master-crafted Bolt pistol (House of Iron)
- Escher combi boltpistol/needle pistol (House of Blades)
- Slate Merdeena’s Custom Plasma Pistol (Slate Merdeena)
- Flechette Pistol (House of Shadow)
- Las sub-carbine (House of Artefice)
- Kal Jericho’s Master Crafted hotshot las pistol (Kal Jericho)
- Rebel Lord’s Master Crafted Needle Pistol
- Cyber Arachnid Web Projector (House of Artefice)
- Xenos Abomination Web Shooter
- Khimerix Breath Weapon (House of Blades)
- Concussion Carbine (Book of Judgment)
- Arbelasta’s Needle Long Rifle (Arbelasta)
- Escher Nightshade Chem Thrower (House of Blades)
- Rad Gun (House of Artefice)
- Sniper Rifle (Book of Judgment)
- Storm Welder (House of Chains)
- Combi Las-Melta (House of Artefice)
- Combi Las-Plasma (House of Artefice)
- Assault Cannon (Iron Automata)
- Assault Stubber (Vorgen Mortz)
- Cawdor Heavy Crossbow (+ ammo) (Book of Faith)
- Heavy Concussion Ram (Book of Judgment)
- Krumper Rivet Cannon (House of Chains)
- Heavy Krumper Rivet Cannon (House of Chains)
- Orlock Mining Laser
- Rad Cannon (House of Artefice)
- SLHG Pattern Assault Ram (Book of Judgment)
- Twin-linked Assault Grenade Launcher (House of Chains)
- Twin-linked Heavy Las Carbine (House of Artefice)
- Twin Linked Heavy Stubber (House of Faith)
- Flensing Knife
- Arbelasta’s Stilletto knife (Arbelasta)
- Hrystar Enegery Shield (Book of Artefice)
- Iron Automata Power Claw (Iron Automata)
- Shock Tendrils (House of Shadow)
- Shock Whip (House of Blades)
- Orlock Heavy Rock Cutter
- Goliath Heavy Rock Cutter
- Master Crafted Renerizer (House of Chains)
- Renderizer (House of Chains)
- Jotunn Arc Welder
- Jotunn Augmetic Fist
- Sheen Bird Beak and Talons (House of Faith)
- Bladed Cyber Arm (Jonny Razor)
- Bone Sceptre (Queen Lorshe)
- Boning Sword
- Brute Cleaver
- Butcher’s Chain Cleaver
- Butcher’s Cleaver
- Stig Shambler’s Pole-arm
- Gyrinx Cat Claws
- Abomination of Badzone 12 claws/tendrils etc.
- Däemonic Talons (Possessed Hiver)
- Kal Jericho’s Duelling Sabre
- Ambot Enormous Claw
- Sumpkrock Ferocious Jaws
- Abomination of Badzeon 12 Frecoious Jaws
- Attilas’ God Cleaver
- Mad Dog Mono’s Grab Hook
- Ambot Gravfist
- Ajax Gorgoth’s Great Chainsword
- Heavy CHain Cleaver
- Giant Rat Jaws
- Master Crafted Pulverizer
- Master Crafted Paired Pulverizers
- Master Crafted Spudjacker
- Master Crafted Paired Spudjackers
- Sparky’s Maul
- Zerker Mutated Fists and Bone Spurs
- Zerker Open Fists
- Paired Augmetic Fists
- Paired Butcher’s Chain Cleavers
- Paired Sud Jackers
- Paired Heavy Chain Cleavers
- Paired Pulverizers
- Pulverizer
- Khimerix Razor Shar Talons
- Hermaphage Magos Razor Sharp Talons
- Xenos Abomination Razor Sharp Talons
- Rotary Flensing Saw
- Cyber Mastiff Savage Bite
- Servo Suit Servo Arm
- Ajax Gorgoth Powered Servo Claw
- Lugger Servitor Combat Weapon (House of Iron)
- Xenos Aboination Spearing Spines and Bony Growths
- Spud Jacker
- Khimerix / Phyrr Cat Talons
- Grapplehawk Talons
- Ambot Tunnelling Claw
- Cyberachnid Venemous Bite
- Xenos Abomination Venemous Bite
- Borewyrm Vicious Jaws
- Web Gauntlet (Book of Shadow)
- Xenos Abomination Writhing Tentacles

Unique Wargear
- Rad Grenades
- Hardened Flak Armour
- Hardened Layered Flak Armour
- Layered Flak Armour
- Corpse Grinder Masks

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[TopsyKretts]

Someone else made an interesting point on this. Arguably Enforcer armor/ammo and CGC weapons are implicitly removed from the Tradiing Post. Because of the original N19 wording, they were only available in Dominion Campaigns that use the N18 Trading Post (Gangs of the Underhive).

Strictly speaking, RAW they are gone. On the other hand, this is very shaky wording and at a time of all-time low rules quality. So might just be how it was written back then.

This topic (among many others for the new rulebook) are also discussed in detail here:

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[inquisitorrevan]

thanks for the link this is great