N18 Collected Errors/Typos in Book of the Outcast

[Jacob Dryearth]

I think that a good trade off for hangers-on is to use the value listed as their base cost, and add the equipment they should have to their available list as common items per a Delagate Gang. They will need to pay for it though. I feel the hangers-on are priced relatively fairy for their abilities without equipment... but this is getting off topic and into the realm of house rules. I'll continue reading and let you know if I come up with any more actual problems with the book!

 

[Petitioner's City]

I didn't come up with those, but borrowed them from a comment on discord by someone who seemed trustworthy, and I didn't question it much. The Rebel lord was too complex that I bothered to do the math, for the mind-locked wyrd I think it's as easy as you suggest, take the Outcast leader cost, get free wyrd power access and add cost for mesh armour (it's a rather naked character). This won't be exactly correct, but accurate enough?

My impressions for your other questions are (not 100% sure, please correct me if I'm wrong):

1. No. But you have access to the same equipment as those fighters as common (if they are available from the trading post), so you could re-buy most of it and give to standard Outcast Champ/Ganger.
2. The special characters are typically overcosted, so cost should not be an issue.
3. Yes, that's incomplete. And it's way too much details to solve completely in one single book. I think you gonna have to either accept that you lose the equipment, stash it and replace it with what you really want (be a proper outlaw and break the rules!) or simply set a strict limitation to take the character as is (don't remove or replace anything). In general, I think it's more about using anything you want rather than having the correct costs for everything. Err on the side of caution! And yes, you are correct the same problem with built-in armour (and other equipment) is the same problem here. The dilemma is, do you want this imperfect option to use anything you want, or a perfect system without this option.

I'm gonna list up some of these points as errors, because they are, but for once I think there are more important things in the game to handle.

What you need to do is work from.an average profile and determine how SG determine costs. Or just replace them all - I think the latter is much better

I think that a good trade off for hangers-on is to use the value listed as their base cost, and add the equipment they should have to their available list as common items per a Delagate Gang. They will need to pay for it though. I feel the hangers-on are priced relatively fairy for their abilities without equipment... but this is getting off topic and into the realm of house rules. I'll continue reading and let you know if I come up with any more actual problems with the book!

An excellent solution; I think a good way of thinking of them is that they have a reduced "hire fee" like hired guns of old. I don't think any of them are suitably coated - consider the new traders, one of whom has a boltpistol, shotgun and Stubgun, while another has a maul. Yet both are 40 credits and both have pretty good abilities that have long term impacts on the gang (with the gun-smyth arguably an impact that lasts beyond his or her time with the gang).

 

[TopsyKretts]

Problem is, what's the cost of medical mechadendrites? Hangers-on and all sorts of other characters have weapons without any cost

 

[Petitioner's City]

Problem is, what's the cost of medical mechadendrites? Hangers-on and all sorts of other characters have weapons without any cost

Well then you and your arb/group work it out - it's one fighter so it's not too hard to do.

Or you do this and try and make it fairer

Spoiler

I use the following revised advancement costs, which I worked out to try to ensure a Juve who got all the right advances to a champ's stat line wouldn't be more expensive:

D66	Advancement	Characteristic Change	Cost Increase
11-13	+1 Movement	Up to 6”	+ 5 credits
		6” to 8″	+ 10 credits
		Above 8″	+ 20 credits
14-16	+1 WS	Up to 4+	+ 5 credits
		From 4+ to 3+	+10 credits
		From 3+ to 2+	+ 20 credits
21-23	+1 BS	Up to 4+	+ 5 credits
		From 4+ to 3+	+ 10 credits
		From 3+ to 2+	+ 20 credits
24-26	+1 Strength	Up to 3	+ 5 credits
		From 3 to 4	+ 10 credits
		Above 4	+ 20 credits
31-33	+1 Toughness	Up to 3	+ 5 credits
		From 3 to 4	+ 10 credits
		Above 4	+ 20 credits
34-36	+1 Wounds	1 to 2	+ 5 credits
		2 to 3	+10 credits
		Above 3	+20 credits
41-43	+1 Initiative	Up to 4+	+ 5 credits
		From 4+ to 3+	+ 10 credits
		From 3+ to 2+	+ 20 credits
44-46	+1 Attacks	1 to 2	+ 5 credits
		2 to 3	+ 10 credits
		Above 3	+ 20 credits
51-53	Roll a D6: 1-3: +1 Leadership; 4-6: +1 Cool.	Up to 6+	+ 5 credits
		From 6+ to 5+	+ 10 credits
		Above 5+	+ 20 credits
54-56	Roll a D6: 1-3: + 1 Willpower; 4-6: +1 Intelligence	Up to 6+	+ 5 credits
		From 6+ to 5+	+ 10 credits
		Above 5+	+ 20 credits
61-63	The fighter gains a skill. Roll a D6: 1-4: pick one of the fighter’s primary skill sets and roll a random skill 5-6: pick one of the fighter’s secondary skill sets and roll a random skill		+10 credits
64-65	Special – Result Dependent on Fighter Type:
	Gangers (except for Aberrants): Either: (1) promote the fighter to a Ganger Specialist (2) or roll for a Hive Ken skill.		(1) + 0 credits (2) +10 credits
	Specialists: Either (1) pick any of the skill sets available to the fighter’s gang and roll a random skill from it (2) or promote the fighter to a Champion as described in their fighter entry		(1) + 10 credits (2) +0 credits
	Others Fighters: The fighter gains a random skill from any skill set available to their gang		+ 10 credits
66	Special – Pick any one Advancement from this table	As above	As above

EDIT: I should note, this is with my changed Trading Post costs:

PRICE CHARTS

The following charts indicate the cost of items available for sale at the Trading Post and Black Market. The cost of rare and illegal items is included, but such items cannot be bought unless they are offered for sale via a Trade chart or other arbitrator-determined event.

Please note, for some gangs, items on their Equipment List marked Common include items that are Rare or Illegal for other gangs – these gangs always treat these items as Common. In addition, certain gang-locked items are not found at the Trading Post and can only be bought by those gangs from their own merchants.

Weapons

Close Combat Weapons

Item	Price​	Rarity​	Size​
Arc Hammer	35​	Rare​	3​
Assault Shield	35​	Rare​	1​
Axe	5​	Common​	1​
Chainglaive	40​	Rare​	2​
Chainaxe	20​	Rare​	1​
Chainsword	20​	Rare​	1​
Cleaver	10​	Common​	1​
Desire’s needle	50​	Illegal​	1​
Digi-weapon	15​	Rare​	0​
Energy Shield	35​	Rare​	1​
Eviscerator	50​	Rare​	2​
Fighting knife	5​	Common​	1​
Flail	10​	Common​	1​
Goredrinker axe	40​	Illegal​	1​
Heavy Chain Cleaver	50​	Rare​	1​
Heavy rock cutter	80​	Rare​	2​
Heavy rock drill	60​	Rare​	2​
Heavy rock saw	70​	Rare​	2​
Hex’iron blade	25​	Illegal​	1​
Kuckle Duster	5​	Common​	0​
Las cutter	60​	Rare​	2​
Lightning Claw	50​	Rare​	1​
Maul (club)	5​	Common​	1​
Mono Blade	25​	Rare​	1​
Mono Sword	40​	Rare​	1​
Polearm	10​	Common​	2​
Power Axe	25​	Rare​	1​
Power Fist	75​	Rare​	1​
Power hammer	35​	Rare​	1​
Power knife	20​	Rare​	1​
Power maul	25​	Rare​	1​
Power pick	30​	Rare​	1​
Power sword	35​	Rare​	1​
Rotary Flensing Saw	35​	Rare​	2​
Servo claw	20​	Rare​	1​
Shock baton	25​	Rare​	1​
Shock Charger	20​	Rare​	0​
Shock stave	30​	Rare​	1​
Shock Whip	30​	Rare​	1​
Spud-Jacker	10​	Common​	1​
Stiletto knife	15​	Rare​	1​
Stiletto sword	25​	Rare​	1​
Sword	10​	Common​	1​
Tenebrous scourge	60​	Illegal​	1​
Thunder hammer	55​	Rare​	1​
Two-handed axe	15​	Common​	2​
Two-Handed Club (Heavy Club)	15​	Common​	2​
Two-handed hammer	20​	Common​	2​
Two-handed sword (Greatsword)	30​	Common​	2​
Venom Claw	30​	Rare​	1​
Web Gauntlet	35​	Rare​	1​
Whip	5​	Common​	1​
Whisperbane knife	30​	Illegal​	1​
Xenarch death-arc	75​	Illegal​	1​

Pistols

Item	Price​	Rarity​	Size​
Arc Pistol	110​	Rare​	1​
Autopistol	15​	Common​	1​
Blackpowder Pistol	5​	Rare​	1​
Bolt pistol	60​	Rare​	1​
Combi-Pistol	As below​	Rare​	1​
Primary Component: – Pick One
– autopistol	10 +​	​	​
– boltpistol	55 +​	​	​
– laspistol	10 +​	​	​
– stubgun	5 +​	​	​
Secondary Component – Pick One:	​	​
– grav pistol	+70​
– hand flamer	+40​	​	​
– meltapistol	+105​
– needler pistol	+30​	​	​
– plasma pistol	+55​	​	​
– radpistol	+45​
Grav Pistol	80​	Rare​	1​
Hand Bow (normal arrows)	5​	Common​	1​
Hand Flamer	60​	Rare​	1​
Flechette Pistol (with solid and fleshbane ammo)	40​	Rare​	1​
Inferno pistol	135​	Rare​	1​
Laspistol	15​	Common​	1​
Las Sub-Carbine	20​	Rare​	1​
Needle pistol	40​	Rare​	1​
Plasma pistol	80​	Rare​	1​
Pulse Pistol	40​	Illegal​	1​
Rad Pistol	55​	Special​	1​
Sling Pistol	40​	Rare​	1​
Stubgun	10​	Common​	1​
Web pistol	120​	Rare​	1​
Withertouch pistol	75​	Illegal​	1​

Basic Weapons

Item	Price​	Rarity​	Size​
Autogun	20​	Common​	2​
Blunderbuss (with Grapeshot)	20​	Rare​	2​
Bow	5​	Rare​	2​
Cawdor Polearm/ autogun	20​	Rare​	2​
Cawdor Polearm/ blunderbuss (with grape shot)	30​	Rare​	2​
Combat shotgun (with salvo & shredder ammo)	70​	Rare​	2​
– firestorm ammo	+20​	Rare​	​
Crossbow	10​	Rare​	2​
Lascarbine	30​	Rare​	2​
Lasgun	20​	Common​	2​
Musket	5​	Rare​	2​
Ripper Gun	80​	Illegal​	3​
Sawn-off shotgun (with Scatter Shot)	20​	Common​	2​
– Solid shot	10​	Common​	​
Shotgun (with solid and scatter ammo)	40​	Common​	2​
– inferno ammo	+15​	Rare​	​
Stubcannon	30​	Common​	2​
Throwing knives	15​	Common​	1​

Special Weapons

Item	Price​	Rarity​	Size​
Arc Rifle	185​	Rare​	2​
Assault Grenade Launcher (Grenades Extra)	60​	Rare​	4​
Autoslugger	45​	Common​	2​
Balefire thrower	135​	Illegal​	2​
Boltgun	110​	Rare​	2​
Chem Thrower	100​	Rare​	2​
Combi-weapon – Cost is both parts combined:	​	Rare​	2​
Primary Component:
– autogun	15​	​	​
– bolter	80​	​	​
– lasgun	15​	​	​
Secondary Component:
– flamer	+55​	​	​
– grav-gun	+100​	​	​
– meltagun	+120​	​	​
– needler	+40​	​	​
– plasmagun	+70​	​	​
Concussion Carbine	40​	Illegal (for non-Enforcers)​
Firepike	120​	Rare​
Flamer	90​	Rare​	2​
Galvanic Rifle	135​	Rare​	2​
Grav-gun	135​	Rare​	2​
Grenade Launcher (grenades extra)	40​	Rare​	2​
Hrud fusil	175​	Illegal​	2​
Kai hellspear	120​	Illegal​	2​
Kroot long rifle	40​	Rare​	2​
Krumper Rivet Gun	60​	Rare​	2​
Long las	50​	Common​	2​
Long rifle	40​	Common​	2​
Meltagun	140​	Rare​	2​
Necrotic beamer	150​	Illegal​	2​
Needle Long Rifle	80​	Rrea​	2​
Needle rifle	55​	Rare​	2​
Neural flayer	120​	Illegal​	2​
Plasmagun	140​	Rare​	2​
Pulse Rifle	80​	Illegal​	2​
Rad Beamer	80​	Special​	2​
Rad Gun	80​	Special​	2​
Radium Carbine	70​	Rare​	2​
Rak’Gol razor gun	80​	Illegal​	2​
Scrap Flamer	40​	Common​	2​
SLHG Assault Ram (Grenades Extra)	70​	Illegal (for non-Enforcers)​	3​
Sling gun	75​	Rare​	2​
Sniper Rifle	50​	Rare​	2​
Stake-crossbow	60​	Rare​	2​
Storm Bolter	160​	Rare​	2​
Storm Welder	55​	Rare​	2​
Warpstorm bolter	135​	Illegal​	2​
Web gun	170​	Rare​	2​
Yu’vath puzzle box	200​	Illegal​	1​

Heavy Weapons

Item	Price​	Rarity​	Size​
Autocannon	215​	Rare​	3​
Demiurg energy drill	135​	Illegal​	3​
Grav Cannon	240​	Rare​	3​
Harpoon launcher	95​	Common​	3​
Heavy bolter	215​	Rare​	3​
Heavy concussion ram	95​	Rare​	3​
Heavy Crossbow (shells extra)	50​	Rare​	3​
Heavy flamer	150​	Rare​	3​
Heavy stubber	120​	Common​	3​
Lascannon	240​	Rare​	3​
Mining laser	170​	Rare​	3​
Missile launcher (missiles extra)	135​	Rare​	3​
Mole Launcher	135​	Rare​	3​
Multi-laser	185​	Rare​	3​
Multi-melta	240​	Rare​	3​
Plasma cannon	215​	Rare​	3​
Radcannon	110​	Rare​	3​
Seismic cannon	185​	Rare​	3​

Wargear

Additional Ammunition

See here for all profiles.

Ammo Type​	Availability​	Cost​	Rarity​
Acid	Auto, Bolt, Bow, Shotgun (use Salvo or Solid Shot profile), Stub	15​	Rare
Amputator	Auto, Shotgun ( use Salvo or Solid Shot profile), Stub	20​	Illegal
Dum Dum	Stub	5​	Rare
Excrutiator	Stub	5​	Illegal
Executioner	Shotguns	20​	Rare
Expander	Auto and Stub	20​	Illegal
Explosive	Bow	15​	Com.
Fire	Bow	15​	Com.
Firestorm	Combat Shotgun (Shredder)	20​	Rare
Fleshbane	Auto, Bolt, Stub	10​	Rare
Fragmentation	Auto, Shotgun ( use Salvo or Solid Shot profile), Stub	10​	Rare
Gas	Auto, Blackpowder, Bolt, Shotgun, Stub	15​	Rare
Holy	Auto, Blackpowder, Bolt, Bow, Shotgun, Stub	5​	Rare
Hunting	Bow	10​	Rare
Inferno	Shotgun (Solid Shot)	15​	Rare
Manstopper	Auto, Shotgun, Stub	10​	Rare
Penetrator	Bolt	10​	Illegal
Phosphor rounds	Auto, Bolt, Shotgun, Stub	5​	Rare
Plantbuster rounds	Auto, Shotgun, Stub	5​	Rare
Poisoned	Bow	10​	Rare
Rad rounds	Auto, Bolt, Shotgun, Stub	10​	Rare
Retribution	Sawn-off Shotgun (scatter); Shotgun (scatter)	20​	Rare
Shatter	Auto, Blackpowder, Bolt, Shotgun, Stub	10​	Rare
Static	Auto, Bolt, Shotgun, Stub	10​	Illegal
Timoris	Auto, Bow, Needle, Stub	10​	Rare
Warp	Auto, Bolt, Shotgun, Stub	10​	Illegal

Autoweapons: The following types of ammunition can be purchased for use in any autogun or autopistol, flechette pistol, or the autoweapon component of any combi-weapon, autocannon or heavy stubber:

Blackpowder: The following types of ammunition can be purchased for use in any musket or flintlock pistol. Blunderbusses may not use these, however.

Boltweapons: The following types of ammunition can be purchased for use in any boltgun, bolt pistol, heavy bolter, or any combi-weapon that includes a bolt-weapon component.

Bows: The following types of ammunition can be purchased for use in any hand bow, bow, crossbow or stake-crossbow.

Shotguns: Shotgun ammunition can be used for either a Combat Shotgun, Shotgun or Sawn-off Shotgun. The ammunition is applied onto the type of ammunition (Salvo, Scatter, Solid or Shredder) specified by the ammunition type.

Stub weapons: The following types of ammunition can be purchased for a Stubgun, stub cannon, long rifle, sniper rifle, or any combi-Stubgun.

GRENADE LAUNCHER AMMUNITION

The following types of ammunition can be purchased for any assault grenade launcher, grenade launcher, SLHG, or auxiliary grenade launcher.

Item	Price​	Rarity​
Anti-plant grenades	10​	Rare​
Choke Gas Grenades	20​	Rare​
Flares	5​	Common​
Frag Grenades	10​	Common​
Krak Grenades	25​	Rare​
Photon Flash Grenades	10​	Rare​
Plasma Grenades	30​	Rare​
Scare Gas Grenades	20​	Rare​
Smoke Grenades	10​	Common​
Stun Rounds	10​	Rare​

MISSILE LAUNCHER AMMUNITION

The following types of ammunition can be purchased for any missile launcher, as well as Heavy Crossbows.

Item	Price​	Rarity​
Anti-plant	10​	Rare​
Flares	5​	Common​
Frag	25​	Common​
Krak	40​	Rare​
Plasma	40​	Rare​
Smoke	10​	Common​

Armour

(Suits)

Item	Price​	Rarity​
Archaeo-carapace	100​	Rare​
Armourweave	20​	Illegal​
Carapace armour	​	​
– light	60​	Rare​
– heavy	80​	Rare​
Flak armour	5​	Common​
Furnace Plates	5​	Common​
Hardened Flak Armour	15​	Rare​
Hardened Furnace Plates	15​	Rare​
Hardened Layered Flak Armour	25​	Rare​
Hazard suit	10​	Rare​
Layered Flak Armour	15​	Rare​
Mantle Malifica	75​	Illegal​
Mesh armour	15​	Rare​
Plate Mail	15​	Common​
Reflec shroud	30​	Rare​
Primitive Armour	3​	Common​

(Layers)

Item	Price​	Rarity​
Ablative Overlay	20​	Rare​
Armoured Undersuit	25​	Rare​
Cameleoline Cloak	35​	Rare​
Gutterforged Cloak	10​	Common​
Incombustible Hauberk	20​	Rare​
Servo Harness	​	​
– full	120​	Rare​
– partial	80​	Rare​

(Shields)

Item	Price​	Rarity​
Scrap Shield	10​	Common​
Ceramite shield	40​	Rare​

(Field Armour)

Item	Price​	Rarity​
Conversion Field	40​	Rare​
Displacer Field	50​	Rare​
Refractor Field	35​	Rare​
Holochromatic Field	50​	Illegal​

Bionics

Item	Price	Rarity
AUDIO BIONICS
Heuristic Auris
– Mundane	20	Rare
– Superior	50	Rare
CRANIAL BIONICS
Bionic Skull
– Mundane	10	Rare
– Superior	30	Rare
Brain Bionics
Cortex-Cogitator
– Mundane	10	Rare
– Improved	20	Rare
– Superior	40	Rare
Lobo Chip
– Mundane	20	Rare
– Improved	45	Rare
– Superior	70	Rare
Pain Suppressor
– Mundane	15	Rare
– Superior	60	Rare
Stimulamygdala
– Mundane	10	Rare
– Superior	30	Rare
MOTIVE BIONICS
Bionic Leg
– Mundane	20	Rare
– Superior	50	Rare
OCULAR BIONICS
Bionic Eye
– Mundane	20	Rare
– Superior	80	Rare
SYNDEXTROUS BIONICS
Augmetic Weapon	Special	Rare
Bionic Arm
– Mundane	20	Rare
– Superior	60	Rare
TORSONIC BIONICS
Skeletal Enhancers
– Mundane	30	Rare
– Superior	80	Rare
VASCULAR BIONICS
Aortic Supercharger
– Mundane	30	Rare
– Superior	70	Rare

Chems

Item	Price​	Rarity​
Detox	10​	Common​
Frenzon	15​	Rare​
Ghast	15​	Illegal​
Icrotic slime	35​	Rare​
Kalma	5​	Common​
Obscura	20​	Illegal​
‘Slaught	10​	Rare​
Spur	15​	Rare​
Stinger mould	40​	Rare​

Gang Equipment

Item	Price	Rarity
Ammo cache	60	Rare
Booby traps
– frag trap	20	Common
– gas trap	40	Rare
– melta trap	50	Rare
Fixed Weapons
– Autoslugger	30	Common
– Heavy Stubber	90	Common
– Twin-Linked Heavy Stubber	130	Common
Gang Relic	40	Common
Guilder cartograph	40	Rare
Isotropic fuel rod	60	Rare
Mnemonic inload spike	65	Illegal
Ratskin map	D6x10	Rare

Grenades

Item	Price​	Rarity​
Anti-plant grenades	10​	Rare​
Blasting charges	20​	Rare​
Choke gas grenades	15​	Rare​
Demolitions charges	50​	Rare​
Fire Bombs	10​	Common​
Flares	5​	Common​
Frag Grenades	10​	Common​
Gunk bombs	20​	Common​
Incendiary charges	20​	Rare​
Krak grenades	25​	Rare​
Melta Bombs	30​	Rare​
Mindflect Shards	25​	Illegal​
Phosphor canister	25​	Rare​
Photon flash grenades	10​	Rare​
Psyk-Out Grenades	40​	Rare​
Plasma grenades	30​	Rare​
Rad Grenades	10​	Rare​
Scare gas grenades	15​	Rare​
Shard grenades	20​	Illegal​
Smoke grenades	10​	Common​
Stun grenades	10​	Rare​
Tox Bombs	30​	Rare​

Personal Equipment

Item	Price​	Rarity​
Archaeotech device	2D6x10​	Rare​
Backpack	5​	Com.​
Bio-booster	25​	Rare​
Bio-scanner	20​	Rare​
Blind Snake pouch	30​	Rare​
Bomb delivery rats	15​	Rare​
Chem Collar	20​	Rare​
Chem-synth	15​	Rare​
Chrono crystal	500​	Illegal​
Cred sniffer	30​	Illegal​
Data-thief	35​	Illegal​
Drop rig	5​	Common​
Falsehood	40​	Illegal​
Filter plugs	10​	Common​
Forged Guilder seal	40​	Illegal​
Grapnel launcher	25​	Common​
Grav-chute	30​	Rare​
Halo device	150​	Illegal​
Hexagrammic fetish	25​	Rare​
Industrial respirator	30​	Rare​
Jump Booster	35​	Rare​
Lho-Sticks	5​	Common​
Lock-punch	5​	Common​
Magnacles	15​	Common​
Magnoculars	15​	Rare​
Malefic artefact	3D3x10​	Illegal​
Medicae kit	20​	Rare​
Microbead	5​	Rare​
Photo-goggles	30​	Rare​
Photo-Lumens	10​	Common​
Psi-grub	30​	Illegal​
Pyromantic Mantle	35​	Rare​
Radcounter	30​	Rare​
Respirator	15​	Common​
Sanctioning writ	20​	Illegal​
Second Best	10​	Common​
Signal Jammer	15​	Illegal​
Skinblade	5​	Common​
Stimm-slug stash	25​	Rare​
Strip kit	10​	Common​
Suspensor harness	20​	Rare​
Threadneedle worms	30​	Illegal​
Web solvent	15​	Rare​
Wild Snake	20​	Common​
Xenoculum	2D6x10​	Illegal​

Weapon Accessories

Item	Price	Rarity
Auxiliary Attachments
Auxiliary Grenade Launcher	30	Rare
Bayonet (Pistol, Basic and Special weapons)	5	Com.
Exterminator Cartridge (Chain Weapons and Basic Auto-, Las- and Shotgun Weapons Only)	30	Illegal
Enhancement
Focusing Crystal (Pistol, Basic and Special Lasweapons)	15	Rare
Gunshroud (Pistol, Basic and Special Autoweapons, Boltweapons, Lasweapons and Stubweapons)	10	Rare
Hot Shot Power Pack	15	Rare
Las-projector (Pistol, Basic, Special)	25	Rare
Macro-Magazine (Autopistols, Autoguns, Boltpistols, Boltguns, Combat Shotguns Only)	25% of weapon cost, rounded up to nearest 5 credits	Rare
Suspensor	60	Rare
Weapon Sights
Infra-sight † (any ranged weapon)	25	Rare
Mono-sight † (Basic, Special, Heavy)	25	Rare
Telescopic-sight † (Pistol, Basic, Special)	20	Common

Status Items

Status Items may be equipped only by fighters with the Gang Hierarchy (X) rule. A gang may recruit an Exotic Beast if they discover them through a Rare Trade action.

Exotic Beasts

Item	Price​	Rarity​
Caryatid	Free (Special)​	Rare​
Critter	​	Rare​
Giant Rat	​	Rare​
Grapplehawk	​	Illegal​
Gyrinx cat	​	Illegal​
Hacked cyber-mastiff	​	Illegal​
Trained Cyber-Mastiff	​	Rare​

Extravagant Goods

Item	Price​	Rarity​
Book of the Redemption	50​	Illegal​
Exotic furs	30​	Rare​
Gold-plated gun	+20​	Rare​
Master-crafted weapon	25% Cost of chosen weapon, rounded up to nearest 5 credits​	Rare​
Mung vase	2D6x10​	Rare​
Opulent jewellery	40​	Rare​
Uphive raiments	30​	Rare​

Servo-Skulls

Item	Price​	Rarity​
Gun skull	40​	Rare​
Harrier-skull	30​	Rare​
Medi skull	55​	Rare​
Sensor skull	60​	Rare​

 

[TopsyKretts]

It's one hangers-on, but many other types of characters with unique equipment without costs.

 

[Petitioner's City]

It's one hangers-on, but many other types of characters with unique equipment without costs.

As I say, as a group/lead player, go through every fighter in this situation (i.e. the Hired Guns and Hangers-On) and work it out. As I have shared, it is not impossible, and will probably benefit your group - and any group - to fix Advancement cost penalties anyway.

Edit: I'm not saying how I've calculated costs is best, but I do think (as part of of YCE) there should be a concerted attempt to balance costs and fix things like Advancements making juves and gangers too expensive as they advance, and fix the out of whack costs of early Hired Guns (Yolanda, for example) or ongoing too-good-for-their cost weapons (like boltguns).

Plus once you've worked out how much you value a power sabre, or Slade's longshot plasma pistol, you can always give it away as treasure to another player

 

[TopsyKretts]

Amazing piece of work!

 

[Thoon Hulk]

Notes from the Campaign section:

Pg 85:

"Habs" building increases the settlement's Building structure limit by 1. But it also takes a slot, so that means it doesn't do anything on it's own. It does turn on the Drinking Hole - Bullet Hall chain, and the Scrap Reprocessing Plant, so maybe intended to just be a pre-req?

"Bullet Hall" Building says you can add a hired gun to your gang free of charge, but doesn't put any guidelines around which type of hired gun. Can you get a free bounty hunter with equipment for each battle?

 

[BranBuccarcher]

Is the power claw missing a +? To Strength as seems to be a bit over priced for just a save mod & pulverise?

 

[Jam Warrior]

What's with the 'defences' in The Big Score scenario? It references pg 49 which is just walls and stuff, mentions minefields which are a different thing on the settlement buildings table on pg 85, and implies some kind of automated attacks that target both gangs, but there are no rules for any kind of sentry guns or similar in the book.

 

[TopsyKretts]

Is the power claw missing a +? To Strength as seems to be a bit over priced for just a save mod & pulverise?

Power claw is unchanged. Note that this was an unique weapon only available to the iron automata, which already has S5, so it didn't need any boost.

 

[BranBuccarcher]

Power claw is unchanged. Note that this was an unique weapon only available to the iron automata, which already has S5, so it didn't need any boost.

May just treat this like the web gauntlet and give a S5 to merit its cost in that case, if anyone ever actually goes to buy one...

 

[Petitioner's City]

Or assume a base strength of 3 and give it str+2?

 

[TopsyKretts]

That would change the iron automata

 

[Petitioner's City]

That would change the iron automata

Quelle horreur!

But if worried, you can have one power claw for the IA, and another for fighters

Or just accept it as is

 

[DamianK]

Do we really need this weapon to be available to regular fighters? There is already a servo-claw which is a power claw for regular humans.

 

[TopsyKretts]

Quelle horreur!

But if worried, you can have one power claw for the IA, and another for fighters

Or just accept it as is

To be honest, the problem is they moved character-specific weapons to the trading post. Why? There are many other weapons in the same situation that's not available for other fighters: artisan needle pistol, auto-needler, bladed cyber arm, bone sceptre, custom power blade, duelling sabre, god cleaver, grab hook ++

 

[libratorr]

How are you coming up with those costs? Are you taking 122 for a leader and adding the equipment (don't have my other books at the moment to check)? If they don't have a base cost they can't actually be upgraded to a leader according to my reading of the book.

So far I have found there a few things that aren't addressed:

1. If you use an Outcast Delegation as the core of your gang. can you rehire the unique fighter types when they die?
2. If you use an Outcast Delegation as the core of your gang. can you hire a second special champion, or more special gangers?
3. The rules for upgrading a model are incomplete IMHO. It says you can either have them keep their equipment or replace it with those available to an Outcast Leader. OK, so I hire an Ammo Jack and get a power hammer, boltgun, mesh armor, great ammo roll ability, and solid profile for just 50 credits. I can choose to replace all that gear with... nothing... and they still cost the same? The whole sentence about replacing their skills and equipment with those available to an Underhive Outcast Leader just brings up so many questions.
   • Are we to assume the equipment for hangers-on in NOT included in the cost now?
   • What about dramatis personae, we know they generally have their equipment costs included, but don't pay full price for skills and characteristics.
   • What happens if my upgraded leader loses wargear or equipment through campaign play... is their cost reduced? This is the same problems with built in armor in 2017.
   • Lets say I use Kal Jerico as my leader. He has 2 master crafted Laspistols and a sword (if i recall). I pay his hire cost and get all that stuff. I then decide to give him a plasma pistol and make a new equipment set consisting of that gun, one of his laspistols, and the sword. What the hell is the cost of that equipment set card for crew rating purposes?

1. If they die.
Remember the special rules rules for delegations as written in the source book for each delegation (eg: page 84 of House of Blades for the Nautican Syphoning Delegation) includes the "A Band Apart" rule (same for all delegations that I've seen*): Members of the [delegation] take care of their own, especially valued representatives and their favoured attendants. A [insert delegation name] Delegation will remain separate and aloof from the gang they are working beside, disappearing during the post-battle sequence to tend to their wounds. If a [insert delegation name] Delegation fighter goes Out of Action during a battle, there is no need to roll for Lasting Injury; they are considered to have rolled 12-26 Out Cold.

So...pretty unlikely you'll ever lose a delegation member.

Unless I'm reading the delegation rules incorrectly. The rules that BotO literally points you to as source for each delegation's rules...that are the first rules you'll land on when you look up the complete rules for the Delegation members.

Probably worth noting Book of the Outcast on founding an outcast delegation on page 22: "The remainder of your Stash may be spent as normal on Underhive Outcasts fighters; they all count as members of the Delegation for rules purposes".
So it is possible that RAW Delegation gangs don't have to worry about injuries.
Nice.

2. No, you cannot hire members separately (BotO page 22, paragraph 3). But you can ally with the same Guild in question (page 20 of BotO) as an affiliated Merchant Guild or likewise affiliated Criminal Organisation - so you could theoretically field two Subnauticans.

*Haven't checked Book of Shadows

 

[TopsyKretts]

You read it incorrectly. A band apart is when the delegation is allied to a gang! So temporary, similar to hired guns, on top of crew limit.

If they can, t die, you wouldn't need loss of a leader.

When you make a permanent gang none of that temporary stuff applies.

 

[libratorr]

You read it incorrectly. A band apart is when the delegation is allied to a gang! So temporary, similar to hired guns, on top of crew limit.

If they can, t die, you wouldn't need loss of a leader.

When you make a permanent gang none of that temporary stuff applies.

So "Water Harvest" (HoB p 84) or "This one's still moving" (House of Faith p 86) don't apply to Delegation Gangs?

It's weird, the other rules for adding a delegation ally to a gang appear in the benefits and drawbacks section of each ally section...yet "A Band Apart" and "Water Harvest" etc are in yet another section continuous with the rules for each individual Delegation member (which I presume are meant to be used with delegation gangs).