N18 Could you have?
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You can have a Trazior Sentry Gun as Outcast leader if you want.
Really? I don't think it's possible it's a piece of equipment. Not a sentienct living organism
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p 116 book of désolation. They don't specified if it's a wargear a gang equippement or else even if it seems to be the latter but in any case nowhere it's written that it's a fighter. On the contrary it specify latter that it needs a friendly fighter nearby to avoid the sentry shooting at you.
So no unlike a giant rat or a hack cyber mastiff it's not a fighter.
"sentient living organism" is not a game term hehe. I thought the criteria was a fighter profile? Regardless, Spyrer is both a fighter and has fighter profile so is perfectly valid as Outcast Leader.Really? I don't think it's possible it's a piece of equipment. Not a sentienct living organism
Technically, it is my understanding that you are limited to:
"The base gang for a Secundan Incursion gang canbe any of the six House gangs (Cawdor, Delaque, Escher, Goliath, Orlock or Van Saar), Ironhead Squat Prospectors, Palatine Enforcers or Venators."
That said, ask your arbitrator. Our arbitraitor said that he'd "consider" any of the gangs for both the malstrain corrupted or the secundan incursion gangs.
I went with malstrain corrupted Delaque - mainly because you only have to buy one set. Malstrain tyranids are optional in malstrain corrupted gangs, while the secundan gangs require buying at least two sets (or converting, I suppose).
And as a note to Secundan Incursan gangs, so far, in 5 games, my juv with web gauntlet has removed from action 3 spyres...Orcus once and Yeld twice. Charge, lucky rolls, web, coup de grace, and it's out of action. I only have the one guy with the web gauntlet.
I don't understand, the topic was never about having malstrain corrupted gang or secundan incursion gang?
A Spyrer is not only a fighter with a profile, it is even a fighter with a COSTED profile. Having one for heading an Outcasts gang, by elevating them to Leader, then giving them an Archetype, is entirely reasonable. Heck, you would even choose Wyrd or Mutant for said archetype, giving the chance for them to be quite different from the Spyrer in a Sucundan Incursion gang, and also not eliminating any of their own rules or equipment.
Their inability to perform typical post-battle actions would be compensated for somewhat by having regular Outcast Champions, the way an Incursion gang can also use Champions for post-battle actions.
Their inability to perform typical post-battle actions would be compensated for somewhat by having regular Outcast Champions, the way an Incursion gang can also use Champions for post-battle actions.
my mistake, I was assuming that the sprye leader for the outcast gang would be part of the underhells campaign because the secundan incursian gang from that campaign is the one where they allow gangs to be lead by a spyre.
Even as an outcast leader? I thought that being an a leader was more important than being a Spyrer. Like the slaver alliance can become an outcast gang the slaver is for an outcast leader and then a slaver leader.
I have a feeling I m missing something.
There are the blurbs about using the guilds, etc... the guilder getting leader, etc... where that's noted.
and there's a separate entry (after the main outlaws gang article) about being able to use any necromunda fighter profile as a gang leader (by example an ambot) and giving said model gang leader rules, etc...
I think it's around page 28?
and there's a separate entry (after the main outlaws gang article) about being able to use any necromunda fighter profile as a gang leader (by example an ambot) and giving said model gang leader rules, etc...
I think it's around page 28?
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From Book of Outcast:
Then back to talking about "profile", and then "fighter":
This alone would allow the Trazior Sentry gun as Outcast Leader
This seems to add another restriction that it has to be a "fighter" specifically
Then back to talking about "profile", and then "fighter":
What is the definition of a fighter? It used to be having a fighter profile. I'm not sure Trazior is entirely out yet!
The Spyrer not having most post battle actions is part of the Spyrer's special rules, is it not? As such, they would keep their special rules and equipment (unless you bought them some other equipment, at which point they lose all their equipment and special rules). Like the Cawdor Leader's special rules being where the Paths of Faith are included (which would apply to your Outcasts gang if you elevated a Cawdor Priest or Word-Bearer to Outcast leader!).
OH! No, I stand corrected. That is part of the campaign spyrer gang rules, NOT part of the individual Spyrer fighter's innate rules. Terror Purge is also not tied to a gang fighter of any sort, so also would be left behind. Also the ability to clear glitches for 100 credits, hire Caryatid Primes, use Terror Level, and so on. Those are campaign gang rules, NOT rules embedded in any of the special rules for any of the fighters.
So elevating a Spyrer would bring the Reflex Enhancers, Master of the Hunt, Kill Count and Spyrer Hunting Rig Glitches special rules, but not the others. So it looks like they WOULD be able to make normal post-battle actions (!).
OH! No, I stand corrected. That is part of the campaign spyrer gang rules, NOT part of the individual Spyrer fighter's innate rules. Terror Purge is also not tied to a gang fighter of any sort, so also would be left behind. Also the ability to clear glitches for 100 credits, hire Caryatid Primes, use Terror Level, and so on. Those are campaign gang rules, NOT rules embedded in any of the special rules for any of the fighters.
So elevating a Spyrer would bring the Reflex Enhancers, Master of the Hunt, Kill Count and Spyrer Hunting Rig Glitches special rules, but not the others. So it looks like they WOULD be able to make normal post-battle actions (!).
From Book of Outcast:
This alone would allow the Trazior Sentry gun as Outcast Leader
Sound like another digi laser obsession
. but it has no m ws s no a stats. that hardly a fighter profile. A grappleHwak has more chance to be identified as a fighter ^^.
Hmm. No ready markers for the sentry gun might be a better litmus test of whether it is a “fighter,” than whether it has a Move value or an Attacks value. Is a Crew a fighter?
The sentry gun does have a profile, though. What does the Core Rule Book say to define “fighter”?
The sentry gun does have a profile, though. What does the Core Rule Book say to define “fighter”?
A true leader doesn't need ws, s or a! Witness!Sound like another digi laser obsession
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