N18 Fast Shot and Vision Ark
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That would almost certainly be a part of it,as would even taking any actions themself as it's says "types of actions models can perform when 'activated'."
Taking two charges in one round, (bloody Spyrers...), some people try to break the game far too readily...
Also it would seem the writers were thinking we would have gangs of 5-6 super soldiers each and wouldn't want to waste as many activations as you would go through combining group activation with a separate overseer target who uses his group activate skill....
Apart from specific use and timed tactic cards which outline it's usage when and how it can be played outside of the usual player activation sequence, overseer is the only skill/tactic to offer any action that is available to be taken from all available to a standing/active Or engaged fighters for that matter. You'd have thought they would have spent more time at the editing table with it.
Taking two charges in one round, (bloody Spyrers...), some people try to break the game far too readily...
Also it would seem the writers were thinking we would have gangs of 5-6 super soldiers each and wouldn't want to waste as many activations as you would go through combining group activation with a separate overseer target who uses his group activate skill....
Apart from specific use and timed tactic cards which outline it's usage when and how it can be played outside of the usual player activation sequence, overseer is the only skill/tactic to offer any action that is available to be taken from all available to a standing/active Or engaged fighters for that matter. You'd have thought they would have spent more time at the editing table with it.
Amazing four pages of lawyering on a wording. 
I still think that the frenzon collar and the master switch are a good example of " we make rule, create specific situation that will screw up the rules and we will never answer it because we are now confuse too. " what GW can produce.
I still think that the frenzon collar and the master switch are a good example of " we make rule, create specific situation that will screw up the rules and we will never answer it because we are now confuse too. " what GW can produce.
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Reminds of what the probability of rolling a 1 on a D3 
lol, I'm curious is it not 1/3?Reminds of what the probability of rolling a 1 on a D3
Long story short it is either 1/3 or 1/6.
GW doesn't make d3 so they assume everybody rolls d6. GW defines a "natural" 1 as the unmodified 1 face. To roll a d3 GW says roll a d6 and half it. So you'd have the natural 1, 2 which becomes 1, then the 3&4 which become 2 (no natural worries there), 5 is modified to a 3, and finally 6 is a natural 6 but counts as a 3...
Another problem with not treating it as an activation, could be giving two actions to a model that is on fire, broken or insane without them having to follow their usual procedures when activating.
Interestingly, Overwatch, Got Your Six, and a {small} number of other effects which give an action outside your Activation also have that "problem" as regards interactions with Blaze. A fighter that is on fire with Blaze, but has Overwatch, can Overwatch shoot (removing their Ready marker but not Activating), without Blaze causing them any trouble that round.
Similarly any "instead of Activating" effects (also few in number).
Overwatch skill
Overseer skill
Got Your Six skill
Threat Response skill DOES explicitly give an Activation. So they CAN write skills that way.
Bloodlust tactics card
Fear of Betrayal tactics card
Blood Surge tactics card
Preemptive Measures tactics card
Swift Justice tactics card
Hit and Run tactics card
Search and Scrag tactics card
Reaction Fire tactics card
Similarly any "instead of Activating" effects (also few in number).
Overwatch skill
Overseer skill
Got Your Six skill
Threat Response skill DOES explicitly give an Activation. So they CAN write skills that way.
Bloodlust tactics card
Fear of Betrayal tactics card
Blood Surge tactics card
Preemptive Measures tactics card
Swift Justice tactics card
Hit and Run tactics card
Search and Scrag tactics card
Reaction Fire tactics card
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Ah, I see.
Lol I actually purchased some real D3's to streamline the minor amount of thinking it takes the 1/2 a D6
.I think this is what @Vonvilkee was talking about with the "as if it was their activation" clause.
But yeah, this is an issue that needs to be discussed with an arbitrator. That said I'm coming around to just treating it "as a real activation" and letting people go nuts.
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I see your point.
If it's any consolation they don't get the chance to remove these conditions either.
Throwing more fuel on the fire for pet group activations do pets have ready markers?
If they don't, are pets immune to things like photon flash?
If they do, would they burn them being part of an owner being activated via overseer?
Oh GW, maybe one day you can write tight, consistent rules
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If they don't, are pets immune to things like photon flash?
If they do, would they burn them being part of an owner being activated via overseer?
Oh GW, maybe one day you can write tight, consistent rules
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According to the Exotic Beasts rules, pets should have Ready markers, but can only be Activated as part of a Group Activation (Exotic Beast) with their owners. And their owners MUST Group Activate (Exotic Pet) when they themselves are Activated.
So yes, photon flash grenades should affect pets. (As will Blaze, speaking of fuel on the fire.)
[And again, IF Overseer gives a full Activation including two Actions, then yes, they would; IF Overseer gives two Actions but not Activation, then no. Group Activations trigger off being Activated.]
So yes, photon flash grenades should affect pets. (As will Blaze, speaking of fuel on the fire.)
[And again, IF Overseer gives a full Activation including two Actions, then yes, they would; IF Overseer gives two Actions but not Activation, then no. Group Activations trigger off being Activated.]
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The arguments for treating it as a full/normal activation are increasingly compelling. It's also aligned with KISS (keep it simple stupid). My hesitation was solely about the balance. In most situations this won't be too much of a problem, at least is hasn't been discussed much. Overseer is already unbalanced. Common sense if using in combination with Group Activation is to apply normal limitation preventing recursive Group Activations. Possibly also for pets (debatable). As this is clearly a cheese loophole, I would say the normal Group Activation limitations indicate intention of preventing this sort of thing. Of course we'll never get good enough rules to actually sort this out officially.
