Well, I for one would be perfectly happy with buying the boxed set, leaving the rule book in the box
My battered nce rulebook, printed 2 sides, 2 pages per sheet, with its paste-ups and hand written notes, won't be going anywhere soon.
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Well, I for one would be perfectly happy with buying the boxed set, leaving the rule book in the box
My battered nce rulebook, printed 2 sides, 2 pages per sheet, with its paste-ups and hand written notes, won't be going anywhere soon.
I for one would be literally staggered if they DID NOT completely rewrite the rules. It'd make no sense whatsoever from their end - and not just because it's a profoundly dated, clunky even at that time, early-to-mid-90s, ruleset. It'd make far FAR more sense from GW's end for 3rd-ed Necromunda to share the same relationship with the current edition of 40k as 1st-ed Necromunda did with second-edition 40k, so much so that they'd have to be even dafter than all the naysayers have been saying to just reissue ORB or LRB.
At least this is by all accounts a Forge World party so we've got a much, much better chance of some decent-quality rulewriting than if it'd come from the team responsible for AoS.
At least this is by all accounts a Forge World party so we've got a much, much better chance of some decent-quality rulewriting than if it'd come from the team responsible for AoS.
You could try looking into "Wooden Ships & Iron Men." It is an old hex game, rules are available via http://www.hasbro.com/common/instruct/7090001.PDF , page seven is missing, but if you have strong search engine skills I am sure you'll come up with that missing page. Board Game Geek has a page with lots of additional information and downloads... https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/237/wooden-ships-iron-men
I'm not so sure the whole Forge World / 40K link is anything to be too happy about. I know lots of 40k'ers (and 30k'er) and they're forever slagging off all the misprints, poorly written and contradictory stuff that has come out in the last couple of years from all quarters.
But I agree it'll likely be a complete rewrite of the rules to bring it in line with 40K which could be a good or a bad thing depending on where you stand.
But I agree it'll likely be a complete rewrite of the rules to bring it in line with 40K which could be a good or a bad thing depending on where you stand.
One of the key differences between 2nd and 3rd+ editions was the removal of to hit modifiers in favour of cover saves. Ironically this would work in Necromunda far better than 40k - since armour is a relative rarity, largely removing the issues 40k has whereby an armoured target rarely benefits from being in cover.
A straight-ish translation would only then need to move pinning from a successful hit to a successful non-saved hit. Only enforcers and Spyrers would be stitched up by this version of shooting.
Combat is amother matter though, since Initiative was elevated from 2nd editions tiebreaker stat to 3rds determinant of striking order.
Then there is the 6" base move and potentially 12" charge to contend with as well!
A straight-ish translation would only then need to move pinning from a successful hit to a successful non-saved hit. Only enforcers and Spyrers would be stitched up by this version of shooting.
Combat is amother matter though, since Initiative was elevated from 2nd editions tiebreaker stat to 3rds determinant of striking order.
Then there is the 6" base move and potentially 12" charge to contend with as well!
I agree that GW would be mad not to update the rules. Not because the rules are flawed, but because I'm guessing the whole point of this exercise is to stamp their 21st century footprint on the game for purposes of IP and wider integration into their core games.
Ironically, for players like myself who have never played 40K past 2nd edition this would only serve to alienate me from the game.
I'll be sad to see the 2ed combat mechanics go. They really are much more elegant than the WHFB based mechanics which replaced them, at least when working on skirmish scale.
Ironically, for players like myself who have never played 40K past 2nd edition this would only serve to alienate me from the game.
I'll be sad to see the 2ed combat mechanics go. They really are much more elegant than the WHFB based mechanics which replaced them, at least when working on skirmish scale.
My biggest concern would be if the mechanics were changed to the extent that special dice need to be used such as in Betrayal at Calth. I can see it being a boxed set for round the £80 mark and I'm hoping for some nice new plastics and scenery. The Necromunda Bulkheads were some of the best things GW every did.
Regardless of what GW do though, we will still always have "our" Necromunda that we play here.
Regardless of what GW do though, we will still always have "our" Necromunda that we play here.
Yeah there has to be some new rules for the various reasons people have mentioned here.
I think I'm pretty safe to speak for most people when I say we'll buy it if the models and scenery are decent but just carry on playing NCE/LRB/ORB rules.
Just a shame as it might pull a few players away from the community edition or reduce the number of new players getting involved.
I think I'm pretty safe to speak for most people when I say we'll buy it if the models and scenery are decent but just carry on playing NCE/LRB/ORB rules.
Just a shame as it might pull a few players away from the community edition or reduce the number of new players getting involved.
I don't know that it'll lure people away. You're always going to have those who like GW systems ... because they like that sort of system. But once you've been playing a certain way it's difficult to change (I know it is for me)
But not everyone thinks the same and I've already come across one or two players who are interested in what any new rules would be which suggests that they would try and maybe use them. Eveytime they played with the newer rules would be a time they aren't playing NCE etc. Why I used the terms "might" and "few".
Plus new and (generally) younger players would more likely use the official rules by default. Although some of these then could migrate to the older rules as if they are thought of as superior.
Plus new and (generally) younger players would more likely use the official rules by default. Although some of these then could migrate to the older rules as if they are thought of as superior.
Although newer rules could get new players into Necro and then they might switch to the older rules so it could be a drain or could lead to more active participants of NCE.
You never know, they might actually be better rules than the old ones!
The drain might be from
ORB and NCE to the new rules, not the other way around.
The drain might be from
ORB and NCE to the new rules, not the other way around.
HERETIC !
Brother Maynard ... bind him and take him to the Redemption.
Brother Maynard ... bind him and take him to the Redemption.
I agree with @King Redwart that it may (eventually) bring in new blood. That's how I got started back in the mumble mumble's. I drifted away when I discovered Beer, Babes and Buick's but when I returned I was old and wiser and wanted to play some decent rules.
I like to play Quick Rules every once in a while as a break but I always come back to the good rules.
I like to play Quick Rules every once in a while as a break but I always come back to the good rules.
I'm not sure I fancy playing a skirmish game with a gang that has 100 models per side, gigantic heroes and large machinery which gets bigger every new release. You may as well play 40k.
Seriously though, I would expect them to not use the older rules but also I do expect them to release a board game rather than a Wargame. Because that's how the last ... Umm, five I think ... releases which haven't been Warhammer (now AoS) or 40k have been. So it'll be a boxed game I'm pretty sure.
Once things have settled in they may release skirmish Wargame rules for it but I'm guessing it'll be self contained to start with.
That may not necessarily be a bad thing if it gets us new models, and opens up the setting to new players. It may if it ends up a £95-£150 box release though!!!
I'm not sure I fancy playing a skirmish game with a gang that has 100 models per side, gigantic heroes and large machinery which gets bigger every new release. You may as well play 40k.
Seriously though, I would expect them to not use the older rules but also I do expect them to release a board game rather than a Wargame. Because that's how the last ... Umm, five I think ... releases which haven't been Warhammer (now AoS) or 40k have been. So it'll be a boxed game I'm pretty sure.
Once things have settled in they may release skirmish Wargame rules for it but I'm guessing it'll be self contained to start with.
That may not necessarily be a bad thing if it gets us new models, and opens up the setting to new players. It may if it ends up a £95-£150 box release though!!!
This would be my ideal scenario. As a board game it wouldn't be in direct competition with the existing NCE, but would draw in new players to the setting without alienating current players, all the while bringing new models and scenery which the existing players would want to pay for.
I can only hope!
I haven't seen them do cardboard scenery parts for 20 years so I'd hate to think what they'd charge for the old box set but all in plastic! Cardboard & plastic wouldn't fit the current look they go for either.
I can foresee a box set containing smaller scenery (if they include any at all) like ammo crates and barricades, much like the DUST scenery. More than likely it'll be cardstock like Betrayal at Calth.
If GW are smart they will have looked around at what people are playing, and what other companies are doing, and copy it. But this is GW so we can expect absolutely anything from them.
If GW are smart they will have looked around at what people are playing, and what other companies are doing, and copy it. But this is GW so we can expect absolutely anything from them.
BLOODBOWL !
A source of mine has some work in progress shots of possible new Bloodbowl miniatures.
It seems as if the new box set will consist of a Human and an Ork team, with Dwarves and Chaos teams further down the line.
The Humans don't really grab me, but the Orks ... well lets just say I'll be buying these figures if they become available seperately to use in my Dreadball team.
A source of mine has some work in progress shots of possible new Bloodbowl miniatures.
It seems as if the new box set will consist of a Human and an Ork team, with Dwarves and Chaos teams further down the line.
The Humans don't really grab me, but the Orks ... well lets just say I'll be buying these figures if they become available seperately to use in my Dreadball team.
I was going to post the cabinet photos the other day but was too lazy. I'm the other way round. The bow-legged Orc doesn't really grab my attention but the human does. I was going to say that if the Necro models are like these or better then great. Now the Nurgle chaos warriors really interest me
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