GW is planning new Specailist Games minis?

[Bastion]

Could it be that GW have finally started listening to customers and are starting to tread a path bath to customer involvement.

This morning I wasn't sure on this rumour at the time but now I'm excited but nervous to see in what direction this will travel.


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[Azzabat]

You're not the only one thats concerned or a little negative @ntw3001 .Remember ...GW go out of their way to remind us they are NOT a games company ... they are a TOY company. My heart lives in hope that it'll be like the GW I loved back in the 80's, but my brain says better start saving up for the lawyers for the lawsuits that will inevitable follow. [Happy Face, AND Sad Face]

 

[Azzabat]

By Thor that was quick, it's started already. My buddy just posted me this. Trolls Under The Bridge, a really, really small company who do some fantastic 6mm Epic stuff ...

... have been hit with a Cease and Desist Order by Games Workshop for their 6mm Sci-Fi Infantry and Vehicles.

http://trolls.myshopify.com/collections/6mm-warfare

Way to Go GW.

 

[Doghead13]

Huh. So basically they didn't learn from Chapterhouse and 'Spots the Space Marine'. 0 to crowdfunded legal defence in 3... 2...

On a tangential note I suspect one of the influences in Nottingham may be John Blanche's involvement in the INQ28 movement; he's still involved in GW, isn't he?

 

[ntw3001]

I'd never heard of them. But now I have! Thanks GW.

I may have to finally buy a set of Delaques from Heresy :/

Edit: Okay they do still have their Guard available; they haven't decided they have the copyright on sculptures depicting humans. But that Necron vehicle isn't there, which seems fair if GW is actually planning to release its own model.

 

[Doghead13]

If GW keep on the same way I foresee a run on Heresy Delaque in the not so distant future - though admittedly they're not QUITE as transparent as that Necron vehicle or those Catachans.

 

[Azzabat]

Did GW ever produce Necrons for Epic though? It's one thing protecting your IP when you've invested in making a model of it, but totally another for shafting someone for making something you never bothered to. (Ref Chapterhouse Lawsuit)

 

[RobStrachan]

Wow, now that necron vehicle is just plain theft imho.

Heresy is safe I reckon because humans in trench coats isn't really copywriteable.

Oh and speaking about heresy, the guy who owns it is dead broke and the company may be in trouble so everyone should buy all the trench coat gangsters they can asap or you may never get a chance!


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[nooker]

The problem with GW stuff is A LOT of it isn't really unique & they stole a bunch from other places. Take Necromunda. Orlocks are bikers. Golaith are just muscle bound behemoths w/ a Mad Max influence. Escher are just 80s punk girls in tight clothing. Delaque are bald dudes in trench coats w/goggles. Cawdor are sci-fi monks. Van Saar are obviously ripped off Fremen. Redemptionists are KKK. Ratskins are native Americans in rat skins. Arguably Spyrers are GW.

Speaking to the Necron, they are just skeletal robots. Terminator and The Coalition from Rifts did that before the Necrons came out. I'll grant you that particular ship was unique to GW, but skeletal warriors aren't. I'm also confused as to why Trolls Under the Bridge had to take down the jungle warriors firing lasercanons. I think ultimately anyone who can challenged GW's "intellectual" property will likely win given a prior art argument.

I'm a bit more worried about us and what we host here.

 

[Fold]

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[Azzabat]

Trolls are 3 guys who work out of a bedroom. They don't even have a garage. Little guys like that have no chance of fighting GW even if they're totally within they're rights. Thats why GW go for them first.

Remember that (one man band) guy last year that GW sued. They froze his assets so he couldn't even afford to travel to the court case to defend himself. (He was representing himself). Case was found in his favour and the judge ripped GW a new one and actually called them a Bulley in the Court records.

Yaktribe will be OK as there is nothing you can do about freedom of speech and freedom of dissemination of information provided you are not doing it for profit, and it is not racists, sexist or inflammatory, Plus we'll just do what a lot of Fantasy players have done and gone "F you GW ... we'll keep plying what we like, and keep writing our own rules"

 

[Flamekebab]

I'd never heard of Trolls Under The Bridge but having just had a look at some of their tanks I can see why they'd get C&D'd. They're beautiful models but ultimately they are just GW minis scaled down:

Remember that (one man band) guy last year that GW sued. They froze his assets so he couldn't even afford to travel to the court case to defend himself. (He was representing himself). Case was found in his favour and the judge ripped GW a new one and actually called them a Bulley in the Court records.

Which one was that?

 

[nooker]

it is not racists, sexist or inflammatory,

Arguably given Ratskins, Escher, & Redemptionists, GW already made it so.

 

[Flamekebab]

Oh yeah, I meant to chip in my opinion!

I hope they leave Gorkamorka alone. I'd love new Necromunda stuff but Gorkamorka doesn't need to be fiddled with.

 

[ntw3001]

I'm also confused as to why Trolls Under the Bridge had to take down the jungle warriors firing lasercanons.

Those guys are still available. I don't know what was there before. but they seem to have left the human infantry alone.

I really can't fault them for complaining about the Necrons. Whether GW were making Epic Necrons is neither here nor there; they're the only people allowed to use Necrons. There are endless possible applications of any given IP which aren't being explored, but that doesn't mean it's open season. GW can't just release a unlicensed TF2 miniatures game on the grounds that 'Valve weren't doing it'.

GW may struggle to defend the broad themes they use in their designs (space-egyptian robots are probably not going anywhere), but obvious scaled-down copies of their miniatures aren't really defensible.

 

[Malo]

They are classifying LONG TERM as 6 months and maybe more? That sounds like as mentioned, a quick cash grab. If this is really a push to re-publish some Specialist games by GW then there goes my plans lol

 

[MusingWarboss]

I'd just got back in from a night of Necromunda and discovered this news! I'm intrigued to what GW (or FW) have got planned?

It'd be nice to see some new sculpts for the Necromunda range from GW, and a weapons sprue would go down a treat! But if the people releasing this are the ones supposedly responsible for making the latest Horus Heresy game, then it does offer up some hope that the models will be excellent and possibly multipart plastic.

I'd even take some resin ones for FW, though I imagine the prices would sting a fair bit.

The big question I have is what format the games would take. The HH one just released is a board game, though that will have expansions. So I could see rereleases of Blood Bowl, Warhammer Quest etc.

Would Necromunda and Epic just be a fat hardback book and figure range? Or would they make a game with an Urban mat in and anew set of plastic bulkheads and card scenery?

I suppose we'll find out in the end but I hope it doesn't mean the death of the excellent community editions. I mean by now this stuff is effectively public domain! (Which may be why they're reclaiming it?)

 

[Flamekebab]

I suppose we'll find out in the end but I hope it doesn't mean the death of the excellent community editions. I mean by now this stuff is effectively public domain! (Which may be why they're reclaiming it?)

If only things could end up in the public domain that quickly

 

[enyoss]

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Good point

I was getting excited about seeing some new models from GW/FW.

Realistically though, rather than take lessons from the plethora of fans who have done great things with their long-neglected games building superb community buy-in, I bet it's a short term blitzkrieg by GW to reclaim its IP before it's too late, just to lock it away in the attic again.

Fair enough for 40k rip offs, but not cool for games they stopped supporting ten years ago.

I was so excited about this earlier too . Hopefully I'm just being unduly pessimistic though - prove me wrong GW. Prove me wrong!

 

[Kon-rad]

Good point

I was getting excited about seeing some new models from GW/FW.

Realistically though, rather than take lessons from the plethora of fans who have done great things with their long-neglected games building superb community buy-in, I bet it's a short term blitzkrieg by GW to reclaim its IP before it's too late, just to lock it away in the attic again.

Fair enough for 40k rip offs, but not cool for games they stopped supporting ten years ago.

I was so excited about this earlier too . Hopefully I'm just being unduly pessimistic though - prove me wrong GW. Prove me wrong!

Ah-ha! I was trying to figure out what Gee-Dub's sinister motive behind this was. I mean, what else does GW do these days but alienate their customers? Kirby is now the "Grand Thamaturge of Intellectual Property" or something now isn't he? Probably wants to gather all the loose bits up so he can take it with him to Sony Pictures or Blizzard or whoever buys out GW eventually............
In all seriousness, whatever they end up making and however cool it is, I doubt I'll be able to afford it anyways. And I doubt the aesthetics will be my cup of tea. That Age of Sigmar stuff just does not do it for me. Oh, well. Just have to keep happily cobbling together trakks out of old Tamiya kits and spare bitz I guess.......