Halfling Treemen models

[AndeeT]

Hey Blood Bowl fans,

I've just seen the new Halfling models for BB;

New BB 'flings

They look ace, and are probably my favourite sculpts of the BB16 teams so far. I would love to grab a box when they arrive, but it reminded me I still have a team of the old Halfings waiting to be painted. I'm just missing a couple of treemen.

I know there's a new treeman for BB16 but I want to stick with the old school to match my models.

My question was; how much bigger are the old Warhammer Fantasy Treemen? Like this guy;

The normal big guys already take up a massive space when prone and this guy looks like he might take up a whole wide zone to himself!
Does anyone have any experience using those models on the BB pitch?

As an alternative I was thinking of the old Warhammer Dryads;

Or maybe stick with the big dood and get one of those prone markers?

Cheers

Andy

(new forum is wicked btw)

 

[Ben_S]

I've played someone using those dryads. They don't look like ST6 players, but they were easily identifiable and much more practical. I guess it depends whether you want something like 'realism'/ 'immersion' or think of them as just game pieces.

 

[Howks]

Kurnoth hunters were going to be my first choice of treemen for the halflings and wood elves

 

[AndeeT]

Cheers @Ben_S. Weirdly, I hadn’t even thought about how the dryads sized up to opposing teams. Just thought ‘well, they are twice the size of the halflings, so that should work’. But then I guess that’s every model, haha!

That’s made me think to go with the treemen and just use prone markers

Thanks @Howks , I wasn’t even aware of those models. They would certainly fit a wood elf team well! (I’m eyeing up the new pro elves for sure)

 

[Ben_S]

Given that we have 2nd edition teams facing off against current GW teams in our league, I don't think anyone can get too bothered about scale between teams. The new Halflings are probably bigger than some old Dwarfs...

 

[Deleted member 10658]

You know, the more 'Treeman' models I see, the more I like the ones that my brother sculpted for Impact! Miniatures.

 

[DArquebus]

@AndeeT - I use that very first model as one of my Fling Treemen. He works ok when he is up and about. But I tend to use a Fanath Monster Dice marker for all my Big Guys these days.... 1) they look cool, 2) they fit nicely in the squares on the pitch and still act as a very visible reminder that there is a player there. I find the token sets some people use in plave for 'Prone/ Stunned' are easy to overlook for yourself or opponents and leads to awkward moments when they are remembered.

 

[Ben_S]

I don't actually have a 'fling team but, if I did, I'd use this guy:

Ben's Bits n Bobs

Ok, back home so I've finally been able to make a little progress. I began working on the Poundland giant. I broke him down into separate pieces, for ease, removed mold lines and filled some gaps. Then I decided to add a bit more detail by sticking an Ogre gutplate and pouch on, like this...

yaktribe.games

It's a Gormiti toy that I repainted. Base is 40mm (for scale).

 

[Ben_S]

Actually, this post shows both of them:

https://yaktribe.games/community/threads/bens-bits-n-bobs.4055/page-7#post-80921

 

[AndeeT]

Thanks all. @Ben_S thats very true about scale. Just saw a pic of 5th edition Pro elves vs BB16 elves and it’s like a halflings vs an elf, it’s not even close.

Cheers @DArquebus for the detailed info. I hadn’t even thought about the prone markers. I know I would certainly appreciate something a bit bigger to remember what models are where.

Just saw GW are doing the 4th edition Treeman as made to order for this week only;

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/MTO-Blood-Bowl-Treeman-2019

Though he looks a bit soulless. The old WHF ones looks much better I reckon.
They are also doing the pot and master chef. Might pick those up.

Cheers
Andy

 

[Ben_S]

Yup, total change in scale: https://scentofagamer.wordpress.com/2016/12/17/blood-bowl-then-and-now/

Which means, as nice as some of the new models are, I simply have no interest in collecting a new range of BB stuff that does fit my existing teams and boards.

 

[Aulenback]

Yup, total change in scale:

Going by those photos, the difference is about a half a head in height. For a real life human, that means the difference of about five inches, between someone 5'7" and 6'0", or between someone 5'9" and someone 6'2" [since we're talking American Football players]. So... entirely within normal variability. The only really noticable difference in a mix will be (a) base size [but that can be altered to suit, up or down, to your own preference], and (b) dynamic posing. Generally, the old models are variations on the "starfish" pose that old models have to aid casting [some better disguised than others], and the new models are much more... dynamic in their posing.

But size difference? Nothing beyond the realm of real world normality. At least, for human, ork, etc. I have not seen a new halfling next to an old halfling yet, but based on what we HAVE seen, I would expect the difference to be about a half a halfling head - so three or four inches if transposed to real-life heights. This expectation might be proved horrendously wrong, with the new being literally head-and-shoulders above the old [yes, yes, I know, that too is real-world possible, but starts to look curious in a sports team in real life when it does happen, so maybe save that for star players? heh!]. But that difference isn't nearly so strange as we seem to expect.

Actually, outside of the Star Wars Empire prequels, it seems strange to have a team of identical, clone-like matching heights. So what if they're a little short to be a stormtrooper? Heh!

 

[Aulenback]

Some scale-by-comparison photos are cropping up on the Mordheim Facebook group. They come to around old-dwarf-height, when measured up against an old-human-mercenary-now-Freeguild model. So... the size of old dwarf models.

They have not yet been added to this scale guide:

Halfling Scale Guide

As I have discovered from experience there is a vast variety of different shapes and sizes of halflings available on the market place and un...

halflinghouse.blogspot.com

and my guess is, an update won't be forthcoming.

Here is one scaled against a Blood Bowl six-sider, though, which gives an excellent idea of size:

 

[Ben_S]

I saw some nice conversions, but don't think I've seen size comparison shots yet.

The new Halflings are probably bigger than some old Dwarfs...

Sounds like I was about right in my prediction.

 

[Aulenback]

One of the guys (Jonas Alexander) doing conversions into Mordheim considerately stood one next to one of his old Mordheim Human Mercenary models, to give a sense of scale.

 

[Ben_S]

Thanks for the pointer. That one wasn't easy to find, until I realised it might be hidden in the comments, which it was.

Compared to the classic models, they definitely look larger than a dwarf should be to me (though, of course, the actual size of dwarfs has also increased over time).

 

[Scabs]

The new Halflings are probably bigger than some old Dwarfs.

Old friend tried his hand at the game this week, after a looong absence. Brought his ancient metal Dwarfs. They are indeed smaller than new Halflings. Won the game with a ridiculous Dwarf pass. Hilarious! It's why we play the game.