Striking scorps, banshees, black guardians, all look a lot more van saar than the kairic bits,just wondering on if it creates elephantitis limbs or vice versa.
N18 House of Artifice (General discussion)
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Scorpions aren't plastic and are like 20 year old sculpts, I don't think they're suitable for combination with new kits. The comparative detail/crispness is on completely different levels.
The Guardian kit is also ancient and chunkily sculpted. It doesn't include a chainsword.
Banshees don't come with chainswords. They have power swords, but I think they're almost as long as a Van Saar model is tall. They'd look awful on a VS fighter.
Imperial models will always be your best source of bits. Van Saar seem to draw on a lot of Necron aesthetics now, so I'd also cruise that range for parts.
The Guardian kit is also ancient and chunkily sculpted. It doesn't include a chainsword.
Banshees don't come with chainswords. They have power swords, but I think they're almost as long as a Van Saar model is tall. They'd look awful on a VS fighter.
Imperial models will always be your best source of bits. Van Saar seem to draw on a lot of Necron aesthetics now, so I'd also cruise that range for parts.
You can definitely combine resin parts with plastic. And the striking Skorpian sculpts are fairly good.
I definitely don't think it's an idea that you can pooh-pooh out right.
I definitely don't think it's an idea that you can pooh-pooh out right.
Not gonna disagree with the first bit but the Storm Guardian upgrade kit does come with two chainswords - top right in the image below
Not gonna disagree with the first bit but the Storm Guardian upgrade kit does come with two chainswords - top right in the image below
Little bit of green stuff and knife work to square off those special weapons and you'd get some grav/melta/rad/web options depending on preference and work...
Have given up on trying to use imperial bits with van saar, far to chunky and most just as old....
Think the upgrade pack will be more use than the scorpions although the exarch claw would be a cracker for servo claw.
Was thinking that maybe the head from an eldar melta could also use to convert the radcannon piece, not sure if that match up in size though.
Think the upgrade pack will be more use than the scorpions although the exarch claw would be a cracker for servo claw.
Was thinking that maybe the head from an eldar melta could also use to convert the radcannon piece, not sure if that match up in size though.
Wow, Van Saar Juves got access to lasguns before Delaque got actual lasgun models!!
I wonder... if the precedent was set with HoC showing plastic kit only models representing Juves?
I know Orlock has pistols on their sprues but maybe they thought they’d give a few extra options so people could start straight from sprue?
Maybe Van Saar are in a similar state? Perhaps they thought it’s be best to allow the most ordinary of guns on the VS sprue to be used to build a Juve model?
Hey, you do you. If you think those bits (or the Striking Scorpions ones) look good in person, use 'em.Not gonna disagree with the first bit but the Storm Guardian upgrade kit does come with two chainswords - top right in the image below
(They look like Play Doh, though)
My chainsword sources for Necromunda conversions have been: Genestealer Cult, Tempestus Scions, Tzaangors, Space Wolves/CSM (for Goliath or CGC)
I've tried all of those sources plus the heresy spares I had, (mkiv plasma guns fit perfectly on escher) gsc is closest fit but still to chunky when compared to the rest of the aesthetic, you have pretty much listed them in scaling size order there.
The old metal escher with chainsword would prob be nicest fit but I don't want to swap a kidney on ebay for one...
The old metal escher with chainsword would prob be nicest fit but I don't want to swap a kidney on ebay for one...
Unless anyone has any major complaints I’m going to split all the conversion chat into its own thread in the M&T forum. It’s all useful stuff but sadly out of place in this thread.
My book arrived yesterday and I have to say I am pleasantly surprised by the fluff that is in there.
There are a few things that seem odd in terms of how the fluff interacts with gang creation (like the gang hierarchy chart and how it relates to the fighter names) but overall it seems ok.
There are a few things that seem odd in terms of how the fluff interacts with gang creation (like the gang hierarchy chart and how it relates to the fighter names) but overall it seems ok.
Neoteks indeed get a choice as to which kind of champion they can become - it was the same as in the other House books. Subteks and Teks cannot become champions - they become specialists upon promotion and cannot be promoted further.
As for the Prime not having access to the Las Sub-carbine, who knows? It certainly doesn't seem sensible for them not to have access, so an oversight seems likely, but it's not the first seemingly arbitrary equipment decision... RAW a Prime can almost never get a sub-carbine as they're not to be found in the Trading Post either, and you cannot freely swap weapons. The only way they could get one is if another fighter who had one dies, and the weapon ends up in your stash.
Even then you couldn't give the Prime a sub-carbine.
Primes can get weapons from one of two sources.
- their personal fighter list.
- the various trading posts.
Subcarbines are on neither, and thus they cannot be equipped.
Primes can get weapons from one of two sources.
- their personal fighter list.
- the various trading posts.
Subcarbines are on neither, and thus they cannot be equipped.
... Damn. You're right. They've effectively excluded the option for ever equipping something from the stash if it wasn't purchased from one of the stated sources. At least it doesn't say the weapon had to be purchased for that fighter, so you can still equip stuff from the stash, but again only if it originally came from one of the permitted sources for that fighter.
Huh. Sometimes I wonder if they don't simply want to get rid of (weapons from) the Trading Post altogether, and simply haven't dared to take that plunge.
Honestly, it gets weirder.
For example, Infrasights. Most Van Saar get them for 25cr on their list, and they're wargear so can be removed.
Neoteks don't get them, but can access them from the trading post. So a Neotek can buy a 40cr Infrasight from the trading post, no problem.
But can I buy a Ganger a 25cr Infrasight, remove it, then give it to the Neotek?
A 15cr discount on purchase and rating is significant. Plus, you've bypassed the rarity.
*For what it's worth, the way the Yaktribe gang builder plays it is that all wargear is bought at the discount price. So you buy an Infrasight from the trading post for 25cr, not 40, as if you still had gang-wide house lists.
For example, Infrasights. Most Van Saar get them for 25cr on their list, and they're wargear so can be removed.
Neoteks don't get them, but can access them from the trading post. So a Neotek can buy a 40cr Infrasight from the trading post, no problem.
But can I buy a Ganger a 25cr Infrasight, remove it, then give it to the Neotek?
A 15cr discount on purchase and rating is significant. Plus, you've bypassed the rarity.
*For what it's worth, the way the Yaktribe gang builder plays it is that all wargear is bought at the discount price. So you buy an Infrasight from the trading post for 25cr, not 40, as if you still had gang-wide house lists.
Yep, that's definitely weird. I'd go with "if the item is either in the fighter's own list of in the Trading Post (if the fighter has access to that) and you have one of the item to spare, you can give it to that fighter, regardless of its actual source." Otherwise it gets far too ridiculous, really.
RAI, though (if you can call it that), I'd say they simply forgot about wargear swapping and they intended the Neotek to pay 40cr if it ever wants an infrasight.
I really doubt any player or arbitrator will go to the trouble of tracking from where every weapon originated. If you purchase a lasgun for a Subtek when founding your gang and they get killed, and the lasgun goes to your stash, I'm certain the intent is you can now equip it to a Tek.
I'd rule that yes, you can. You never purchase items for a specific fighter except when founding the gang. That's just the writers getting lost in their own mind with incompatible concepts.
Gang specific discounts are already a dumb idea but at least they technically work. Fighter specific discounts don't even function within the framework of the rules. It's the same problem they already failed to notice with the Venator's House legacy rules.
They can be promoted further as per the N18 rulebook: they can purchase an advancement to become 'Champion'. The issue is that each gang now has 2 types of champions. Last time it has been discussed, the consensus was that Specialists should get the same promotion options as their gang's Prospects (i.e. they can choose to become either type of Champion, except for Escher who can only be promoted to Matriarch for fluff related reasons)
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What about hotshot las pack then? It is listed for everyone except Juves, meaning everyone (except Juves) can buy it and start with it for 20 credits. It is still common with the same price (20 credits) at the Trading Post? So the actual effect of listing it vs not listing it (for Juves) is that you Juves can't have it in a fresh gang. In every battle after the 1st, they can have it, same as everyone else.
Why on earth do they care about such negligible details? The super granular fighter specific equipment lists are way too complicated for GW to handle, so why even introduce them? It was much simpler and cleaner in N17-N18.
Why on earth do they care about such negligible details? The super granular fighter specific equipment lists are way too complicated for GW to handle, so why even introduce them? It was much simpler and cleaner in N17-N18.
It seems intentional, but the new fighter specific equipment lists of N20 are not perfect and there are many obvious errors previously. Whether if it's a mistake or not is difficult to say, but it is however completely meaningless. What possible 'value' does the game gain by having sub-carbine available to everyone but the leader?
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