List of questions for a future FAQ update

[TopsyKretts]

The madness continues!

The new Van Saar pet Cyberachnid has a Web pistol. Of course they had to include the profile on the Cyberachnid's page in addition to the Armoury. What does this mean? 2 conflicting profiles

Cyberachnid's "Web pistol": Str 3, AP -, D -, Am 6+, Pistol, Scarce, Template, Web
Armoury's "Web pistol": Str 4, AP -m D -m Am 6+, Template, Web

Which one would you use?

 

[Cpt. Boriel]

Hard question. Saw the warhammer TV stream with a rules writer earlier who said generally ‘I playtested five versions of this, I don’t know which one we settled on’. - c’mon people make a memo.

I would assume with hand flamers being lower str, that a hand Webber might be too. So I’d slightly lean towards S3

 

[Thorgor]

Pistol and Template don't mix, so the first profile is at least slightly incorrect.
Didn't the GSC already have a Webber?

 

[cronevald]

I'd use both. I don't have an issue with a cyber-pet having a stripped down version of the standard weapon. Though as Thorgor points out, the pistol trait is inconsistent.

 

[ah64pilot5]

The madness continues!

The new Van Saar pet Cyberachnid has a Web pistol. Of course they had to include the profile on the Cyberachnid's page in addition to the Armoury. What does this mean? 2 conflicting profiles

Cyberachnid's "Web pistol": Str 3, AP -, D -, Am 6+, Pistol, Scarce, Template, Web
Armoury's "Web pistol": Str 4, AP -m D -m Am 6+, Template, Web

Which one would you use?

Both in context with who is using it. No reason a weapon can't be slightly different for 'creatures' than for the general population. Would even consider differing abilities to be on purpose. Heck, as happy as I am, it still seems crazy that Eschers still get dirt cheap lasguns...

 

[ah64pilot5]

One more question, and sent to them already. Van Saar combo weapons... How is it that the combo version of a weapon las/plas or las/melta, is cheaper than the base plas/melta weapon???? Really???? I can understand, maybe, with the plasma as it only has one of its two profiles.. but the melta is the same.....

 

[Thorgor]

No reason a weapon can't be slightly different for 'creatures' than for the general population.

Consistency is reason enough if you ask me. If you want your game to be accessible, you should avoid using the same name for 2 different things. Just name the spider version "microwebber" or something.

 

[Vonvilkee]

One more question, and sent to them already. Van Saar combo weapons... How is it that the combo version of a weapon las/plas or las/melta, is cheaper than the base plas/melta weapon???? Really???? I can understand, maybe, with the plasma as it only has one of its two profiles.. but the melta is the same.....

Initially it does feel off, but remember combi forces you to roll two dice for ammo and take the lowest. This combined with scarce makes them likely to get fewer shots, dunno if it deserves that much of a discount especially with the way better Las combi piece.

 

[MusingWarboss]

I guess this is what happens when you don’t have a central repository of stats.

If it has a web pistol then you’d just get the stats from the repository. Or better still, let the players do it. I don’t recall them adding every weapon stat under each units profile in 40k before. They just say “Boltgun” or “Slugga” or whatever.

They maybe need to start putting version numbers on these updates or issue a FAQ update with each book with an index listing the current location of the most up to date rules.

 

[Thorgor]

(Deleted member 9968): and they did all this months ago and are probably working on something else entirely at the moment. Which is why I would be willing to cut them some slack if the final product was perfect.
But admitting you have no idea which profile made it to the rulebook when it has 2 different profiles for said weapon (and this blunder is only the latest in a long series) is definitely bad PR management. They should know better.

Anyway, I don't want to get all sumpy here. "Which one of those two profiles is correct and should be used" is definitely a valid question that should be answered in a future FAQ update and will be added to the list.

I also think the question about combi-lasguns is valid. Sure, it could be argued that the combi trait makes their ammo roll terrible and justifies a discount. But then why doesn't the same logic apply to the (arguably overpriced) combi plasma/stub pistol?

 

[TopsyKretts]

Blaze has been fixed too. It didn't make too much sense earlier.

 

[ah64pilot5]

Initially it does feel off, but remember combi forces you to roll two dice for ammo and take the lowest. This combined with scarce makes them likely to get fewer shots, dunno if it deserves that much of a discount especially with the way better Las combi piece.

They are the only ones anywhere that have the price cheaper than the base special weapon cost.. Being Van Saar, I would have expected Escher-lasgun type pricing for some cool weapons, but still seeing combos as more expensive than base, just not horrendously so, way it stands now... gonna go combo heavy...lol

 

[Vonvilkee]

They are the only ones anywhere that have the price cheaper than the base special weapon cost.. Being Van Saar, I would have expected Escher-lasgun type pricing for some cool weapons, but still seeing combos as more expensive than base, just not horrendously so, way it stands now... gonna go combo heavy...lol

You are right but they are the only ones with lasgun combi weapons... I wonder if the discount is tied to the weak but dependable second piece. All the other combi have bolters strapped on which are very good too. I just dunno sometimes.

 

[Thorgor]

You are right but they are the only ones with lasgun combi weapons... I wonder if the discount is tied to the weak but dependable second piece. All the other combi have bolters strapped on which are very good too. I just dunno sometimes.

Again, the combi plasma-stubber should set a precedent. The stub gun is a weak but dependable second piece to the plasma pistol, and the whole thing is more expensive than a plasma pistol despite having worse ammo rolls and no high power mode.

 

[Vonvilkee]

when you are right you're right Thorgor!

 

[Jam Warrior]

40k actually lists most weapons with the unit now but there is a armoury like in GW3 in each codex.



My only complaint about this book is that there wasn't a note that said something like "These profiles are the most up to date and should be used in place of earlier profiles." They actually fixed several other issues that way in the book, like talking about how the stash works, or that Orlocks can get special weapons.

I'm still waiting for my GW3... What I get for trying to support the local shop!

How have they changed the stash?

 

[TopsyKretts]

I haven't found any changes to the stash. I'd be interested too if someone found something.

 

[TopsyKretts]

Should some of the questions be removed, since we already know the answer? Like Toxin does not bypass armour saves.

 

[Thorgor]

Should some of the questions be removed, since we already know the answer? Like Toxin does not bypass armour saves.

Not until they are officially adressed in a FAQ update, a Gang War book or a White Dwarf.

 

[Thorgor]

In the case of a characteristic of "-" (such as the Ammo characteristic on several Versatile weapons) how do you make the check? Is it automatically passed or failed?

I think it's safe to assume Versatile weapons are not meant to roll the Firepower dice at all. But you are right that technically, RAW, they do (they count as ranged weapons when not Engaged and any attack made with a ranged weapon use the Firepower dice.) Good catch!
Is there any other scenario where a characteristic of — would be a problem? They seem to only use it when the characteristic is not meant to be used, but there may be some other unforseen interactions. They did some measure of future proofing for Damage though (— is treated as 1 for Damage).