Yep, I'll sort that. Bugs me too but forgot about it.Page numbering.
This is something that I buggered up in the 2019 version that I will (attempt to) fix in the next one. I'm a bit crap with PDFs and it seems using Acrobat as opposed to InDesign(?) has broken some stuff. I am sure I can fix it easily enough though.can we make the links clickable?
While I get the logic of that there will come a point where restructuring an old document breaks the formatting and extra pages are added.It's always retained the original page numbers, which means all references to 'page 74' - including references from other sources - continue to be accurate.
It’s not really once you realise the page numbers of the PDF and the Document Pages are out of sync. You still have to randomly scroll until you find what you’re after though which wastes time.While it might be that p. 74 isn't where you expect it to be in the PDF, it shouldn't be too hard to find. I think renumbering wouldjust create more confusion.
No. Don’t do that. That seems like the opposite of clarity. It also looks like page 74 line 58.However, it it's possible to create a dual numbering system, e.g. see p. 74/58, that would be the best of both worlds.
Interesting factoid! Pages don’t get added to NCE. They have been removed (fluff/art) and they have been rarely moved (rosters), but a constant objective was to keep the document concise and as close as possible to its origin - and this included a general rule that pages of new rules do not get added. If we couldn’t fit a clarified/fixed rule into the same space as the old one (with a little wiggle room) then the fixed rule is too wordy. I think this general ethos has helped NCE over the years, otherwise it might have just become be an untidy an excessively verbose clutter of house rules.While I get the logic of that there will come a point where restructuring an old document breaks the formatting and extra pages are added.
I’m glad the idea of being concise is there to avoid excess waffle. But I wonder if there was also a motive to do that because you’re editing a pre-existing PDF not mastering a new book, therefore can’t add formatted pages or move stuff around on the fly?"While I get the logic of that there will come a point where restructuring an old document breaks the formatting and extra pages are added.
What do you call those? If you’re willing to shuffle up pages, later references may slip.
Or do you create Page 103a etc? "
Nope. As pointed out below, space has always been a constraint on NCE changes, so it's never been necessary for NCE to renumber anything.
(I thought there was an explanation of the pagination in the NCE document, though perhaps I'm thinking of the Blood Bowl LRB.)
Multiple editions. Not multiple pages in the same book."No. Don’t do that. That seems like the opposite of clarity. It also looks like page 74 line 58 "
It's pretty standard for referring to works that exist in multiple editions with different pagination. Ideally, with some label for clarity, like 'p. 74 print / 58 PDF' or whatever.
It would then allow anyone to use whichever version of page numbers were more convenient for them (so, wanting to follow that reference to p. 74, use the printed numbers; looking at the PDF, use those numbers).
That wouldn't make any real difference, if the original is removed.However in the spirit of the NCE how about the PDF page numbers are in burgundy text. To indicate they’ve been modified from the original?
But it cant be counted on that nobody will print it, so if they are renumbered hyperlinks then it would make everybody's day better. There is always the LRB that can be downloaded if players need to lust over the original page numbering....if the contents (and any references throughout the document) are made clickable then probably most issues are resolved without needing to renumber.
Well, as I'm probably being cursed for mentioning the numbering I may as well go all out!Yep, I'll sort that. Bugs me too but forgot about it.
If anyone spots any page references in the text (i.e. "see page 74" as opposed to ones on the contents page) please post them here so I can change them as it'll save me time going through the whole document.
- gets referred to twice on PDF pg 33‘Playing a Campaign Game’ section (see page 109)
- PDF pg 63To start the campaign two players simply take their
gangs and select one of the scenarios to fight (see
- PDF pg 66The Playing a Campaign Game section (page 109)
includes full details of the Experience points that can
be earned for each scenario.
- PDF pg 66As fighters earn more Experience points they are
entitled to make Advance rolls. The table on page 86
shows how many Experience points a fighter must
earn before he can make a further roll.
- PDF pg 68These restriction are indicated on the Skill
tables on page 88.
- triple mention on PDF pg 73Every gang begins with five territories generated from
the Territory table (see page 94). Some scenarios
allow gangs to gain extra territory or lose it to their
rivals (see page 109). The more and better territory a
gang has the richer it will become.
To generate a random territory from the Territory
table on pages 94-95, roll two dice.
- PDF pg 786: One in a Million Weapon (see page 54)
- PDF pg 81If the Hired Gun is killed or was forced to miss the
game (as described in the Missing Games section on
page 83) then understandably he does not have to be
paid for his services that game.