NCE Necromunda Community Edition

[DarkMouse]

No Heavy weapons don't feature on their list or in the category of weapon they're allowed to take, no use for them in the Pit anyway!

 

[pit slave]

alright, my friend is convinced that my chief cannot use special weapons, unless he has only one pit slave weapon. thirdly, that normal pit slaves cannot ever use basic weapons even if i pick some up

 

[Tiny]

They can take special weapons such as meltaguns and plasma guns on leaders and technos, but no heavy weapons.

 

[Tiny]

alright, my friend is convinced that my chief cannot use special weapons, unless he has only one pit slave weapon

The chief can absolutely use a special weapon (or basic weapon) if he has two pit slave weapons. He would just gain +1A for the one extra CC weapon. If he only had a pistol and 2 pit slave weapons, he would gain +2A.

 

[pit slave]

can normal pit slaves use basic weapons if i happen to trade for some?

 

[Tiny]

No. They can only use pistols. Only Chief and Technos can use basic weapons.

 

[pit slave]

why?

 

[Stoof]

Only got one hand
Makes aiming and reloading tricky!

 

[spafe]

Because basic weapons are not on their list:

If they were then they would be very similar to every other gang and this is part of their flavour to make them different

 

[pit slave]

No. They can only use pistols. Only Chief and Technos can use basic weapons.

Because basic weapons are not on their list:
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If they were then they would be very similar to every other gang and this is part of their flavour to make them different

right, but if i exchange a prisoner for some boltguns from someone who has them on their list, none of my guys would be able to use them?

 

[pit slave]

Only got one hand
Makes aiming and reloading tricky!

so does the pit slave leader

 

[spafe]

none of my guys would be able to use them

only techno and chef, as tiny said above

 

[pit slave]

it also makes the specialist perk useless i guess?

 

[spafe]

it also makes the specialist perk useless i guess?

no, a specialist adds special weapons to their list, so could then be given a special weapon. imagine it as this is a one off 'shoulder mounted' weapon or whatever. Its clearly a bit out there, but it is achievable.

 

[pit slave]

it's a bit weird, but ok

 

[spafe]

Oh, it also gives access to basic weapons if they didnt have access, so in that example, the pit slave has clearly learnt how to use 2 hadned wepaons one handed.

 

[Ardavion]

I figure a bodybuilder is likely to be a lot more able to do severe damage wielding a chainsaw than an 8 year old child.

By the same example, if you took an arm off each of them at the shoulder and attached the same chainsaw to each via a bionic arm, would the muscles on the bodybuilder make any impact?

The rules for pit slave weapons allow you to potentially shrug off an arm wound that would be -1 S, because the whole arm is replaced by a pit slave weapon that gets repaired before the next battle.

By the same token, strength advances would not necessarily translate into a stronger pit slave weapon, but would happily translate into the other, human arm; we do get into strange territory if someone has two bionic arms at that point - how do strength advances affect someone with no organic arms?

Bear in mind that the tool upgrades weren't a thing in the original Andy Chambers Pit Slave gangs. They are a very recent addition added purely as a way to make strength increases worthwhile (they originally required S4 to use one tool upgrade or S5 to use a second). Just because this is the way things are currently, doesn't mean its the best way to do things.

Sounds like no-one was taking the tool upgrades because strength advances aren't very likely, hence the dropping of the strength advance requirement.

The whole point of this exercise isn't to nerf Pit Slave gangs in any way. It is to give them a boost in that their S increases are actually useful and possibly free up some credits so they can buy more fighters. I have no problem with keeping tool upgrades AND having the weapons be based on the user's S stat.

It does feel like the end result, however well intentioned, might nerf them, though.

People don't want them to snowball gang size wise, but want to remove the money sink of a tool upgrade that restrains purchasing new gang members who will make more money foraging to afford new gang members and so on, while also removing a component of the gang that allows for their main weapon type to improve over a campaign - like buying new ammo types for a shotgun (usable by only max three models in the entire pit slave gang, as opposed to normally at least half a gang) or buying heavy weapons for other gangs.

Strength advances are already useful, for a normal pit slave gang; the knife can be "upgraded" to a sword/power weapon, and strength is used for half the skills in one of their primary skill lists, as well as for escaping being on fire, resisting the Crush psychic power etc.

Sounds like making the weapons based on the user's S wouldn't have actually affected you at all last Tribemeet. How many campaigns do you think you would play before it had a negative effect?

I honestly don't know for in future, but previous TribeMeets they've been very useful in making the rare times I get into combat and hit that it made a dent on multiple wound/higher toughness opponents; it would also be paired with the fact that half the hits made would be done with typically a S3 pistol or a S3 knife - or more if I ever got strength advances.

Again, pit slaves can't buy S9 lascannons, S8 autocannons, S8 Krak missile launchers, or S7/8 heavy plasma guns (among other weapons), and even if a pit slave weapon got to those lofty heights, it can't affect something across the other side of the table. If the worry is about high impact, unless it's a multiple combat that roll of 5 is going to put the model OOA in close combat anyway, so those high strength ranged weapons are more dangerous than a similar strength pit slave weapon.

 

[pit slave]

ok, can i have 3 armor plates on a pit slave with 3 initiative? reducing my initiative to the minimum of 1?

 

[Stoof]

I'm getting strong "the pitslaves are actually alright" vibes.

 

[Tiny]

By the same example, if you took an arm off each of them at the shoulder and attached the same chainsaw to each via a bionic arm, would the muscles on the bodybuilder make any impact?

Yes. Core strength is king.

It does feel like the end result, however well intentioned, might nerf them, though.

People don't want them to snowball gang size wise, but want to remove the money sink of a tool upgrade that restrains purchasing new gang members who will make more money foraging to afford new gang members and so on, while also removing a component of the gang that allows for their main weapon type to improve over a campaign - like buying new ammo types for a shotgun (usable by only max three models in the entire pit slave gang, as opposed to normally at least half a gang) or buying heavy weapons for other gangs.

Not sure what you're wanting here? Do you not want to be able to afford more fighters while having an easier time getting high strength pit slave weapons?

When I say "Strength based on user's S stat" I mean for example a buzz saw becoming S+2 and a chainsaw becoming S+1.

When I say "I have no issue combining this with tool upgrades if that is what people want" then I don't see any downside.

I am seriously not understanding why there is such a push back against having weapons based of the S of the user. Sorry if I'm just being dumb.

I'm getting strong "the pitslaves are actually alright" vibes.

If all the pit slave players say they're fine then I guess they're fine and don't need the buff.