NCE Necromunda Community Edition

[MusingWarboss]

I’m not unsympathetic to that, though I feel that is an inherent issue with using static referencing in a living document.

The reason that the document hasn’t had any major formatting changes is simply because Anthony created it to act as a plug-in replacement for the LRB, so it retained as much of that documents structure as possible to act in that way, including not exceeding paragraph limits (because that would break page numbering). Which was fine back then. Quite whether it’s still worth being held rigidly to the formatting of a book from 20 years ago is a debate in itself.

There’s a lot I could write, thoughts wise here but I sense that I’m p-ing into the wind and don’t want to text-wall further anyway.

 

[Ardavion]

My two cents; whatever page numbering is in the core book, I'm not sure what that would reference outside of itself.

Other documents that reference the core book? The Outlanders book doesn't actually reference anything with page numbers, just headings, so that wouldn't need any updates, and...?

We'd basically be stretching into non-standard gang or campaign documents, which would be rare enough, and any issues would probably get a mention here as a pseudo-support ticket for a queue of documents to update for NCE. It could actually focus work efforts on NCE for the most pertinent/desired documents in need of updating.

In all honesty, I don't recognise referencing in terms of page numbers and just flick through to the section in the NCE core book or outlanders, precisely because the page numbers have gaps in them. If I want to look up Gang Recruitment, and the contents page says "75", and I go 70ish pages in only to find I am in fact on page 94, so I go back 20ish pages only to find I'm on page 54, I end up just flicking through the pages until I see "Gang Recruitment" on a page.

Whether this is an argument to not update the page numbers (if they're not used because they're wrong, would fixing them get them used?), who could say.

I get that it is extra work, but if a document has e.g. hyperlinking/bookmarks set up by topic then it should be the case that a refresh of the bookmarks when modifying the document would update page references, so future updates would be easy to re-reference, assuming actual page numbers are used. I'm just going off of Microsoft Word, here, so working with PDFs might be different.

You could also have an appendix with hard-coded ORB page references listed for each corresponding topic, so they'd still be available, but not dictating the structure of the document.

Living documents referencing other living documents shouldn't be expected to reference page numbers outside of itself, either. Referencing a topic heading and the corresponding document should be enough to then get that document and check it's contents page for a page number.

 

[4warnedis4armed]

Absolutely love how much of this I understand straight from "Shadow War," but I don't see a 'starting armour' table-- is everyone's first gang meant to charge into battle unarmoured until they can visit the Trading Post? No? (IME your point-costs for the various ganger slots in SW:A were larger, but it was often the case that they came with a base set of armour?)

 

[ntw3001]

Ya, nobody gets armour. Very special stuff. There aren't a lot of high-powered weapons, so fighters are generally more resilient in practice than they would be in 40k anyway.

 

[Tiny]

As @ntw3001 says, armour is rare. You need to find it on the rare trade chart after a game. Always seemed weird to me that a lascannon was common but a flak vest was rare but that’s how it was written.

 

[ClockworkOrange]

I’ve always caulked it up to practicality, flak armour even if you can get it is useless against most things so why bother spending your own creds on it.

Flak armour is the Storm Trooper armour of the 41st millennium, guardsman/troopers ware it but what does it actually do other than make them look smart.

 

[4warnedis4armed]

I’ve always caulked it up to practicality, flak armour even if you can get it is useless against most things so why bother spending your own creds on it.

Flak armour is the Storm Trooper armour of the 41st millennium, guardsman/troopers ware it but what does it actually do other than make them look smart?

 

[4warnedis4armed]

Enh, I've been known to take a 6+ "t-shirt save" over 'nothing.' As I may've mentioned, Shadow War usually includes a base set of armour in a fighter's cost, no matter how pitiful. But it is good to know it isn't a typo, or an omission, and armour is just... earned. ARMOUR IS FOR CLOSERS. ;-)

 

[spiggie]

Hi everyone.

I was just about to print the latest NCE RB, and though I’d check in with the group to see if there were any plans to publish an updated version in the near future that I should hold for?

Appreciate all the great work to keep the original version of this great game alive!

 

[Tiny]

There is a plan to update it. It has been in place since it was last updated. Sadly it is always thwarted by real life.

I can't see me updating it for a while as I've had to completely rebuild the document practically from scratch to make it compatible with new software, which is taking a ridiculously long time given that I manage to get about an hour a month to work on it.

If you print it, just be aware there are a couple of small issues in it (such as D6+3 loot in Scavengers that should read D3+3). Check the first post for details of planned updates.

 

[spiggie]

There is a plan to update it. It has been in place since it was last updated. Sadly it is always thwarted by real life.

I can't see me updating it for a while as I've had to completely rebuild the document practically from scratch to make it compatible with new software, which is taking a ridiculously long time given that I manage to get about an hour a month to work on it.

If you print it, just be aware there are a couple of small issues in it (such as D6+3 loot in Scavengers that should read D3+3). Check the first post for details of planned updates.

Cool, thank you for the update. Really appreciate the guidance and your dedication to this effort!

 

[MusingWarboss]

Cool, thank you for the update. Really appreciate the guidance and your dedication to this effort!

Most of us who have printed a copy are quite happily using it. Plus you can always scribble in alterations if necessary.

I honestly wouldn’t worry about it too much. The document has been fairly stable for years now and changes are minuscule. Barely worth printing out a whole new copy for.

 

[spiggie]

Speaking of the NCE, are these the most appropriate WIP rules to use for Enforcers & Ash Waste Nomads?

Enforcers:

Necromunda - Necromunda Enforcers - NCE Development Version

Tiny submitted a new resource: Necromunda Enforcers - NCE Development Version - NCE updated rules for Necromunda Enforcers NCE updated rules for Necromunda Enforcers based on Anthony Case's initial version in an attempt to make them more playable as a player gang and not just for Arbitrator...

yaktribe.games

Nomads:

[NCE] Ash Waste Nomads LRB Conversion

Hello, This is an update of the LRB rules to NCE rules that I produced for my discord community and campaign. They are not perfect, but it is updated to NCE language. The only concern I have, at the moment, is a good revision for Double-Bladed Knife. Thanks, Commi (@Narwhal King here you go)

yaktribe.games

Many thanks in advance for your guidance.

 

[Tiny]

I've never used either in an actual campaign so not really had chance to playtest them. I'm sure others can help with recommendations.

I'd probably stick with the tried and tested "official" N95 / 2000s ones for the time being. They're certainly not perfect though. They were definitely written with a campaign arbitrator in mind and weren't really balanced in any meaningful way. Same for all the other Citadel Journal or Fanatic era gangs like Genestealer Cults, Squat Miners etc.

Have a chat with whoever is running your campaign if you want to run any of the gangs not in the NCE/OCE books and possibly tweak anything that seems problematic. If in doubt, take things that seem less powerful.

 

[dnalloht]

I might have missed it somewhere, tried to use the search function but couldn't find what I was looking for. Is there a way for us to use some of the new models that have come out in recent years, or conversions if we don't want to buy them or the new edition to get the rules? Like Ammo Jacks, that sort of thing?

 

[MedMos]

I might have missed it somewhere, tried to use the search function but couldn't find what I was looking for. Is there a way for us to use some of the new models that have come out in recent years? Like Ammo Jacks, that sort of thing?

NCE is the community take on the older version of Necromunda (Living Rulebook, I think). For the new hangers on you'd want the 2017+ versions, though I dont know exactly when they were introduced.

 

[Ben_S]

It's not the intent to add new things from the new rules, but in many cases there's likely some way of using the model to count as something else in the NCE rules (like underhive scum or something).

 

[MusingWarboss]

It was discussed a long while back for adding weapons across and I think it was decided that it was far too time consuming for not much benefit.

It would never be integrated into the NCE document anyway as the whole point was to tweak and streamline the 1995/LRB era.

If anyone wanted to do it, it would be as an optional add-on document.

 

[dnalloht]

Thanks y'all!

 

[Oakwolf]

Just read the NCE and i must admit that the rules are far tighter than the N18 (or whatever it is now). The rule sprawl of the recent version drove me to insanity. The looks of the new game is attractive, but the feel of the game on the table, and especially the campaign management and "power growth" is very different. If i am restarting to play Necromunda, i'll definitely use this. Thanks so much for the work done.