New models incoming

The rules actually look quite good. Lots of good bits from various previous editions, plus cool stuff from Warhammer Historicals. I'm interested to play it, just not with old overpriced GW minis. The starter sets seem like OK value. Its just the extra units that are insanely priced which will push players away.
Don´t you have models left over from the 90s?
 
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The prices will certainly put casual people off investing in the system. The age of the models is also a weird one.

They don’t seem old enough to really be that nostalgic. It’s just stuff from 20 years ago.

Usually the nostalgia kick hits in 30+ years later. These are just old models for the most part and this does nothing but drive up prices of actually 20 year old models on eBay.

Even if the game is good, they’re doing their very best to price people out. Bizarre.

I would suggest getting your models from other manufacturers if you fancy playing it but it seems 90% of “The Hobby” is using GWs official miniature lines…
 
Maybe they’re doing it so it will fail, then they can say “we thought it was a bad idea but released it because you demanded it and it failed. Stop asking for stuff”
With the ancient models in plastic, metal and resin it looks like they are just cleaning their warehouses for other new stuff which has nothing to do with Old World.
 
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hey don’t seem old enough to really be that nostalgic. It’s just stuff from 20 years ago.

Usually the nostalgia kick hits in 30+ years later. These are just old models for the most part and this does nothing but drive up prices of actually 20 year old models on eBay.
hit the nostalgia for my group pretty well.

And if you'd tried to build a bretonnian army or TK over lockdowns... this release has reduced the price on ebay significantly.
 
hit the nostalgia for my group pretty well.

And if you'd tried to build a bretonnian army or TK over lockdowns... this release has reduced the price on ebay significantly.
I was pleased to see some of the Bretonnia units but mostly because I’d prefer to use them as conversion fodder for Cawdor.

I guess I’m not the target market as I never played Warhammer FB so have zero nostalgia for it as a game, plus the models seem to mostly be just the last remnants of what was on offer pre-End Times.

TK is very specific but I’m sure I’ve seen a few blogs of Bretonnian Armies which is mostly made from Perry Miniatures and Historical stuff with a few tweaks and conversions.

Well, good to hear on the eBay front anyway, if you’re collecting, as what usually happens is the hype goes up and then so do the prices as people attempt to cash in quick - particularly if the official sets are sold out…
 
With the ancient models in plastic, metal and resin it looks like they are just cleaning their warehouses for other new stuff which has nothing to do with Old World.
If they had this stuff in their warehouses for decades, you'd think they'd have sold it as AoS (with minor revisions like bases and packaging) much earlier, rather than not selling it and keeping it in warehouses. Heck, when specialist games got wound down the first time in the early 2000s the metal minis got melted down if they weren't sold (at least, that's what GW said they would do. Here's me hoping original Necromunda/Mordheim minis are squirreled away in some GW warehouse somewhere).

I'd think it more likely that they've spun up new copies of old minis as they have the moulds they had pulled out of storage to use to make them; they talked in a community article about a brettonian lord model from just before WHFB was binned off that didn't get made for WHFB, but they managed to make a mould for it (either new, or they pulled it out of storage?) and are putting it out as part of Old World.
 
Honestly the old world gives me nothing I can't get elsewhere, my current jam is Oathmark. list balance is irrelevant because in theory everyone can take anything... It has a cool 'kingdom' list building mechanic, and units absolutely trump single characters in most cases. The range is always growing (if slowly) and the models are cheap, easy to kitbash, and most boxes make 1.5 max sized units of 2 or 3 unit types. R&F Itch scratched. Oh, and even though it has a range if minis, it's model agnostic!

To keep this vaguely on topic: Northstar have teased human rangers, & later in the year both Orc and Elven Heavy infantry!!
 
I'd think it more likely that they've spun up new copies of old minis as they have the moulds they had pulled out of storage to use to make them; they talked in a community article about a brettonian lord model from just before WHFB was binned off that didn't get made for WHFB, but they managed to make a mould for it (either new, or they pulled it out of storage?) and are putting it out as part of Old World.
I'm fairly sure they talked at length about that. Not just he "saved"/unreleased Bretonnian, but the process of retooling old moulds kept in their archive thing. They lose a bit of definition, so they resculpted many of the models - Trebuchet got lots of detail re-added (so should be more detailed than the old metals were, I think?) and the Tomb-Scorpions got a rework too. The Carrion models got a rejig to have a third one which didn't exist previously, as they were only two.

They don't really ballyhoo all this. And God knows if they've done *anything* to the old plastic kits. I know folk said the old Tomb Skellies were atrocious - this would've been the time to "fix" them, even if only minimally.

Then again, I always heard plastic-moulds were the expensive bit, so adjusting them maybe wasn't on he cards? (Just re-use them with otherwise improved techniques? [Have you seen the mutant-horse "heads" cropping up in many of the Bret boxes? Improved indeed! 😂])

Honestly the old world gives me nothing I can't get elsewhere, my current jam is Oathmark. list balance is irrelevant because in theory everyone can take anything... It has a cool 'kingdom' list building mechanic, and units absolutely trump single characters in most cases. The range is always growing (if slowly) and the models are cheap, easy to kitbash, and most boxes make 1.5 max sized units of 2 or 3 unit types. R&F Itch scratched. Oh, and even though it has a range if minis, it's model agnostic!

To keep this vaguely on topic: Northstar have teased human rangers, & later in the year both Orc and Elven Heavy infantry!!
+1 for the Oathmark minis. The mould lines on them are atrocious, though that's true of a lot of my old GW Dwarfs too, so it's six and half a dozen. Had a lot of fun building and kitbashing the Dwarf Light Infantry (& Stargrave Scavengers). Cheap and cheerful, and actually really damn characterful minis too. Scratch that early pre-sixth Dwarfs itch too, looking a lot more homely and amateur-y, rather than the full-plate flamethrower-toting ore seams from 8th Edition! (They're cool too, but I prefer the floppy hats and caps and lots of cloth/linens.)

Not tried the Oathmark game itself, but the rest of he Northstar stuff I've tried and seen all have me thoroughly entertained.

(Though damn if I'm not excited to finally get a few of the 7th Ed Miner kits! Maybe a BSB.)
 
The age of the models is also a weird one.

They don’t seem old enough to really be that nostalgic. It’s just stuff from 20 years ago.

Usually the nostalgia kick hits in 30+ years later.

I'm not sure about this. I suspect many people feel nostalgic about the toys of their youth, whenever that was. So, it might be 20 years ago for someone who's 30-35, but 40 years ago for someone who's 50-60.

they talked in a community article about a brettonian lord model from just before WHFB was binned off that didn't get made for WHFB, but they managed to make a mould for it (either new, or they pulled it out of storage?) and are putting it out as part of Old World.

There was one foot knight that got recycled from WHQ. I'm not sure if that's what you're talking about. Maybe there was a lord too (I haven't followed closely).
 
Hmm, if they needed to make mould from scratch, I'm surprised they went for metal rather than resin. I didn't know they were making new metals.
 
I'm not sure about this. I suspect many people feel nostalgic about the toys of their youth, whenever that was. So, it might be 20 years ago for someone who's 30-35, but 40 years ago for someone who's 50-60.
Yeah I get what you’re saying. There does seem to be this 30 year cycle of nostalgia, where those getting into their 30s get very nostalgic for their youth, then it just becomes old again as the next generation takes over the pop culture with their nostalgia.

That’s why we’ve seen a big revival of 70s, 80s and now 90s things. 2000s are due their turn in a few years.

So anyway, that’s what I was referring to.

Elvis collectables is seen as the modern metric for this, that fanbase is literally dying off and as those objects come back to market there are less (there are still some hardcore who weren’t even born when he was alive, picking up the vibe from the revival) willing to collect it now.

So I guess you have to ask: who is TOW marketed at? What age group? I’m guessing it’s people in their 30s-40s.

Most older are Oldhammer collectors are doing pre-2000s builds.
 
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As a WFB player from the 90s, I have to say that TOW doesn't hit the nostalgia button for me at all. I liked the hero hammer aspect of the 4th/5th editions, and I don't see that TOW brings back a similar experience. Plus, if I'm feeling nostalgic for those editions, I just need to head over to my bookshelf and there they are. It would surprise me if people who were dedicated enough to build & paint a whole army for WFB didn't keep their armies (or at least parts of their armies) so they could continue playing their favorite deprecated edition. Maybe if they brought back an updated/modernized version of hero hammer, but added in stuff like a campaign system (something I always wished WFB had), I'd think differently. Instead TOW seems like those movie remakes/reboots that never quite manage to capture the magic of the original version, and end up making one appreciate the original that much more.

I do think @MusingWarboss is probably right that the target market is people in their 30s-40s, because they are the right age to have just experienced the peak of WFB in their youth (and may have been too young for a real job to pay for WFB stuff at the time).
 
Seems like he’ll be impossible to kill off.

Well, Eviscerators or anything else with sever will neutralise him quite effectively if charging. Alternatively bleed him out with flesh wounds (much harder and less reliable)
But he will be a tough nut, thats sure.
The model is very cool though 😍
 
Waiting for the "Made to order" re-release of the Marauder Giant, but dreading the price. I missed out on him back then, due to being O&G exclusive in 4th Ed., but when I got the Warhammer Armies 3rd Ed. - early 2000s for a Jackson, Lincoln and a few Washingtons - it was listed as a "Neutral" mercenary. Since it looks relatively well kempt, I could field it in an Imperial or Bretonnian army.
 
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