New models incoming

So, after listening to 4-5 Hive secundus reviews/unboxings and some more snippets of rules for the Tech hunters I get the feeling the 'gimmick' for this new cycle of expansions will focus on bringing out multiple sub-classes for specialists with some exclusive equipment for each gang. In the Hive Secundus Rulebook the Tech hunters are 75 Cr each and each sub-class is limited to '0-2', so unless the Book of Desolation adds some other limitations at 'gang creation', you could have up to 8 Tech hunters in a starting Van saar gang.

Van saar tech hunters have 4 sub-classes:
- Guntek: In-battle Refraction cloak and Post-battle 'craft 30 Cr gun' action.
- Teknomat: In-battle exclusive Close range weapons and Post-battle 'craft 30 Cr wargear' action.
- Bioteknist: In-battle Servo Medicae and Post-battle 'Rogue Doc' action.
- Augurtek: In-battle 'Anti-Infiltration 12'' aura' and Post-battle 'exchange Data crystals' action (this seems to work only in Hive Secundus campaigns; maybe they'll get an alternative post-battle action in the Book of Desolation, like something facilitating Tarding post actions or Bounties).

Assuming for normal campaigns, we are still limited to 1 Specialist at gang creation, which one of these would you pick?
I am most tempted by the Bioteknist, since that would free up my one Hanger-on slot for something other than my 'mandatory' 1st Rogue doc.
2nd to that, I like the Guntek for their Refraction cloak and crafting basic guns for new recruits later in the campaign (although, given Van Saar's House list, the Teknomat's crafting ability may be much more convenient/flexible to maybe craft Gun sights and other wargear around the 25-30 creds mark).

Now, if we were to transfer this 'Specialist sub-classes' idea to the other existing gangs, we can get a rough guess as to what the House gangs will likely get in the next year and a bit.
Each house will probably have 3-4 sub-classes of specialist, but they will be tailored to each house: for example every house may have at least one crafting specilaist, but the Goliath's one will likely be limited to crafting Melee weapons after-battle and his 'exclusive weapon' will be some overcosted unweildy Forge hammer, while the Orlock's crafting specialist, may focus on crafting Ammo types and grenades and possibly use a beefed up Harpoon gun.

Mainly I am expecting/hoping for a new plastic frame for each house, with 3-4 new bodies/poses and a bunch of new bits/weapons to represent the specialist classes for that House, sold 2 frames per box, like most Necromunda kits up to now, interspersed with whatever new gangs/kits come along in the expansions (we have yet to see models for these Abyssal Ferrymen mentioned in Book of Desolation and I am half expecting Muties to get full gang rules/kits in the not-too-distant-future).
 
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He's supposed to be a younger version, so I'm not as bothered by it, in contrast with Slayers with undyed beards.
I'm sorry, what elvish blasphemy is this? I completely missed that... Damned young folks these days, no respect for tradition, no better than goblins really, at least they're still green, grumble, mutter........

I wonder if this is to distance them from the Age of Sigmar Fyreslayers.
 
Extrapolating off of @Baffo above, I’d guess every gang would get some sort of rogue doc. So I’d hazard to predict each gang would have a weapon crafting specialist, a gear crafter, a rogue doc and the fourth one would be unique to each gang, but would need to be tailored to Secundus’ setting. Escher might have a chem synth who can make new chems from things (like malstrain biofirms) found in Secundus. Van Saar do data crystals. Maybe Cawdor find holy relics. Things like that.
 
Looks like the new Hive Secundus rulebook is pretty complete! Without looking too closely, it seems to be based on the N23 rulebook which is the time the game got a stable foundation. Even stuff like pyschic rules are included, unlike let's say the N19 Dark Uprising rulebook. However, since the campaign is very much limited to the box content, there doesn't seem to be any trading post included.

Large portions of the book seem to be reprint of core rules (excluding Ash Wastes vehicle rules which makes sense considering vehicles are not part of this release). If this indeed is same as last year's rulebook, it would be the first time a rulebook isn't different in one or more ways! I guess that makes sense if having to keep re-releasing "starter packs" like this every 1-2 years.

The pro is of course that you get all rules needed in the box. The con is no doubt you still want to buy more books. Just that the rulebook might not be on the top priority for next book if starting off here.
 
Looks like the new Hive Secundus rulebook is pretty complete! Without looking too closely, it seems to be based on the N23 rulebook which is the time the game got a stable foundation. Even stuff like pyschic rules are included, unlike let's say the N19 Dark Uprising rulebook. However, since the campaign is very much limited to the box content, there doesn't seem to be any trading post included.

Large portions of the book seem to be reprint of core rules (excluding Ash Wastes vehicle rules which makes sense considering vehicles are not part of this release). If this indeed is same as last year's rulebook, it would be the first time a rulebook isn't different in one or more ways! I guess that makes sense if having to keep re-releasing "starter packs" like this every 1-2 years.

The pro is of course that you get all rules needed in the box. The con is no doubt you still want to buy more books. Just that the rulebook might not be on the top priority for next book if starting off here.
Interesting. I'm a few digital books behind, including the N23 rulebook. Should probably get that sooner rather than later to get the trading post details along with the Book of Desolation to get the spyrer rules to help my bits purchase planning from non-GW stores.
 
Thanks for the info @Baffo very useful.

I guess I’m a little concerned that we’re getting a Specialist Champ and Prospect box #2 incoming here - especially if it comes to each gang (well, except Delaque probably) as that queues up another long line of books to get the rules and possibly a looming sense that with vehicles and now extra-extra specific fighters we might get a series of “House of … #2” books in future.
 
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Thanks for the info @Baffo very useful.

I guess I’m a little concerned that we’re getting a Specialist Champ and Prospect box #2 incoming here - especially if it comes to each gang (well, except Delaque probably) as that queues up another long line of books to get the rules and possibly a looming sense that with vehicles and now extra-extra specific fighters we might get a series of “House of … #2” books in future.
I totally get where you are coming from, but to me it seems GW shifted away from the 'codex' release model to the 'narrative campaign seasons' model for their specialist games (including 28mm Horus heresy and 'new-Epic'):
We have completed the Aranthian succession trilogy, which advanced the 'timeline' of our setting and fleshed out the Ash waste 'season' (which started with the release of the Ash wastes box and the Book of the Outlands); now we are getting the Hive secundus box and the Book of Desolation to start this new 'season of the Underhells', which will probably develop with another 'narrative' trilogy advancing the ongoing storyline (house Helmawr Vs House Aranthus) and bringing out rules/kits for each house and some new gangs related to the new locations.
That said, I doubt we'll stick to Hive secundus, beyond this initial big box and Book of Desolation; given this new 'Zone Necromunda' and 'Underhells' branding GW seems to be pushing, I think this 'season' will explore various ultra hostile/dangerous underground settings that all require the formation of 'Incursion gangs' with these new 'specialists' needed to make the gang self sufficient in these new environments, cut off from the Trading post and Rogue docs of 'civilized' Underhives. This way they can explore locations like Hive Mortis and bring back gangs like Muties, Plague zombies and maybe even update Chaos helots and corruption, while providing different goals/motivations for each house to want to form and send out these Incursion gangs (Goliaths and Orlocks don't seem like they'd be particularly interested in Data crystals for example).
Also at the ending point of the Arantian succession, we find out there should be more survivors of house Aranthus, similarly kept sealed in hidden vaults across Necromunda, so that will likely be the focus of the narrative for this 'season'.
Anyway, for now this is all just speculation, but I am cautiously optimistic :)
 
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Oathmark orc heavy infantry (preview pic from FB)

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There's also a hand weapon and shield option.
 
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Do sales tax free events extend to out of state online sales? Just curious how they work, if they do it must be a pain in the ass to implement for retailers nowhere near that state. Or do you claim the tax for things bought that weekend back later?

Accountant me is intrigued 🤣
 
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Do sales tax free events extend to out of state online sales? Just curious how they work, if they do it must be a pain in the ass to implement for retailers nowhere near that state. Or do you claim the tax for things bought that weekend back later?

Accountant me is intrigued 🤣
Sales Tax Holiday: Here’s the Tax-Free Weekend in 2024 for Every State

According to the 2024 guide, what's tax free on their weekend or week depends on the State. Maryland's tax free weekend, actually 6 days, begins on Aug 11, but only clothing, footwear and backpacks up to a certain value are exempt. Massachusetts doesn't charge sales tax on clothing that's less than $175 IIRC. There are also local sales taxes and these could be higher than the state sales tax and sometimes you'd have to pay both! State and Local Sales Tax Rates, 2024 Thankfully, I've not been in a situation where I've had to pay local sales taxes.😅

For Massachusetts residents on August 10 and 11: All retail items for personal use / $2,500 (except vehicles, food, alcohol, gas, certain utilities, tobacco, marijuana). Online orders from out of state are also exempt during the two days. It used to be that if you ordered from out of state and the seller had no local presence, you wouldn't pay sales tax, but this changed some years ago, due to interest groups being upset over eBay and Amazon. :rolleyes: The big vendors have complied and taxes are automatically applied during checkout, though I could get round it by ordering books from UK stores, like Blackwells. Ordering from overseas has a requirement for a customs/tax declaration, but it's voluntary and most of us aren't boy scouts and this coming from a former hall monitor! Books and toys are exempt from customs duties if less than several thousand Dollars and this is my gripe with eBay's Global Shipping Program - I'm charged state sales tax during the purchase and Pitney Bowes is pocketing the customs fees for purchases on exempt goods less than $200.
 
I don’t think CT even does one anymore…. Used to be just in time for back to school shopping.
From the link for 2024:
ConnecticutAug. 18-24
  • Clothing and footwear / Less than $100

Massachusetts might be the outlier with the exemption for all retail items for personal use. The 6.25% sales tax isn't that much, but you're spending $200+ on figures, spend it on that day. I'm planning on making a $100+ book purchase on Amazon on the 10th or 11th too.
 
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