N18 New Rules Incoming

[Lunarcruiser]

@MusingWarboss Re enforcers.
Aside from combining the Faq updates, the Sanctioner and the Venator and maybe the Warhammer Community extra rules what new shiny toy will GW have to offer compared to the house gangs?
They have already full model weapons access via their initial box and Subjugators (i.e. no missing weapons on the class list not in the boxes) (Not that I wouldn't mind a upgrade box with more concussion carbines).
They have thier alternative base box (as Wyld runners and Death Maidens are yo Esher for example) in the Subjugators box.
They have thier unique Brute.
They have thier Ash wastes mount/unique vehicle like the House gangs (OK they cheated with Van Saar Neoteks and did anyone really expect them to do a Delaque option? Creepy fish dudes always last).
Aside from a box of just cyber mastiffs they don't really have anything model wise to bring them up to House levels of plastic (ignoring the forge world side).

Don't get me wrong I would love an Enforcer book, I just don't see the £ £ eyed GW higher ups doing it without completely redesigning the whole lot.

 

[Baffo]

@MusingWarboss Re enforcers.
Aside from combining the Faq updates, the Sanctioner and the Venator and maybe the Warhammer Community extra rules what new shiny toy will GW have to offer compared to the house gangs?
They have already full model weapons access via their initial box and Subjugators (i.e. no missing weapons on the class list not in the boxes) (Not that I wouldn't mind a upgrade box with more concussion carbines).
They have thier alternative base box (as Wyld runners and Death Maidens are yo Esher for example) in the Subjugators box.
They have thier unique Brute.
They have thier Ash wastes mount/unique vehicle like the House gangs (OK they cheated with Van Saar Neoteks and did anyone really expect them to do a Delaque option? Creepy fish dudes always last).
Aside from a box of just cyber mastiffs they don't really have anything model wise to bring them up to House levels of plastic (ignoring the forge world side).

Don't get me wrong I would love an Enforcer book, I just don't see the £ £ eyed GW higher ups doing it without completely redesigning the whole lot.

Agreed

Personally I feel Ash waste Nomads have the best chance to get their own 'House of...' book.
While they have their unique Mounted fighters, they still really need some sort of 'dedicated transport' for the 'on-foot' nomads, like a large beetle/millipede with a platform/howder on top, or some sort of chariot/sand sled dragged by insects/sand worm (hopefully in plastic).
Besides that they do need a weapon upgrade set, since they have several 'unique guns', we don't even have concept art for (the missing Blast carabine or rifle variant, the Heavy Blaster, a Venom caster not on a FW resin leader sculpt, ecc...).
As for a specialist box, I could see them bringing out a new 'shaman-type' champion (attuned to spirits, if they expand the ideas presented in that Apocrypha, or more like a 'druid/beast master' with some additional exotic beasts just for them) on a sprue with some new exotic beasts and/or a 2nd insectoid Brute (similar to the Delaque or Escher specialist boxes).
We'll see, for now I am saving up for the Squat full release

 

[MusingWarboss]

@Lunarcruiser they can invent anything they want - they just magicked up a whole load of Van Saar for a new setting so could do the same for anyone.

I was thinking more in line of them tidying up the book lines by updating the older gangs and including the various things that have been added since.

Of course they don’t have to and the consumer could continue to buy several expensive hardbacks just for the one or two profiles in each or they could be nice at some point and collate the material into one book.

 

[Lunarcruiser]

@Lunarcruiser they can invent anything they want - they just magicked up a whole load of Van Saar for a new setting so could do the same for anyone.

Those new Van Saar specialists do give me hope that they will do similar improved specialist sculpts for the remaining House gangs. Still in theme with the old sculpts but a revisited set of models so they don't have to bother redoing the entire House as a reboot.

Of course that is a normal sensible, hobby sustainable manufacturing strategy. Oh it's GW. That may be hit and miss.
I can still dream of a Orlock Brew master team.

I was thinking more in line of them tidying up the book lines by updating the older gangs and including the various things that have been added since.

That's sensible editing thoughts!!!!
Stop it you cheeky monkey

It may be controversial but apart from collating the various Enforcers rules and changing their Dominion rules to match other gangs (so the same treatment enforcers get for every other campaign), I don't think the Squad needs much revision apart from proforma Gang Fighter and Gang Hierarchy rules.
Maybe a 3rd champion slot.

Of course they don’t have to and the consumer could continue to buy several expensive hardbacks just for the one or two profiles in each or they could be nice at some point and collate the material into one book.

At least I buy the many books and read all the fluff/bampf story to get my monies worth.

 

[Lunarcruiser]

Agreed

Personally I feel Ash waste Nomads have the best chance to get their own 'House of...' book.
While they have their unique Mounted fighters, they still really need some sort of 'dedicated transport' for the 'on-foot' nomads, like a large beetle/millipede with a platform/howder on top, or some sort of chariot/sand sled dragged by insects/sand worm (hopefully in plastic).

They annoyingly put that in the background text somewhere to keep Nomad fans on tender hooks.
Curse them.

Besides that they do need a weapon upgrade set, since they have several 'unique guns', we don't even have concept art for (the missing Blast carabine or rifle variant, the Heavy Blaster, a Venom caster not on a FW resin leader sculpt, ecc...).

I think there are two different sculpts for the blast long arm in the kits (not 100% sure though).
For the Heavy blaster, and alternative nomads on general, check out the Desert Dwellers range on MaxMini, a subsidiary of TotalTrollCombat (TTCombat) well priced and fit in well.

 

[JayTee]

@MusingWarboss Re enforcers.
Aside from combining the Faq updates, the Sanctioner and the Venator and maybe the Warhammer Community extra rules what new shiny toy will GW have to offer compared to the house gangs?
They have already full model weapons access via their initial box and Subjugators (i.e. no missing weapons on the class list not in the boxes) (Not that I wouldn't mind a upgrade box with more concussion carbines).
They have thier alternative base box (as Wyld runners and Death Maidens are yo Esher for example) in the Subjugators box.
They have thier unique Brute.
They have thier Ash wastes mount/unique vehicle like the House gangs (OK they cheated with Van Saar Neoteks and did anyone really expect them to do a Delaque option? Creepy fish dudes always last).
Aside from a box of just cyber mastiffs they don't really have anything model wise to bring them up to House levels of plastic (ignoring the forge world side).

Don't get me wrong I would love an Enforcer book, I just don't see the £ £ eyed GW higher ups doing it without completely redesigning the whole lot.

Both the BoJ and Dark Uprising books talk about various other 'types' of Enforcers including Psykers, and some kind of robot with tentacles in the M.O.N.I.T.O.R. so there's already lore-appropriate scope for some Enforcer extras. I can readily see an Enforcer 'specialist' box like the VS Tek Hunters with some new Enforcer sculpts.

But I'd prefer if we get some more Ash Waste Nomads, I need my bug transports!

 

[Lunarcruiser]

Both the BoJ and Dark Uprising books talk about various other 'types' of Enforcers including Psykers, and some kind of robot with tentacles in the M.O.N.I.T.O.R. so there's already lore-appropriate scope for some Enforcer extras. I can readily see an Enforcer 'specialist' box like the VS Tek Hunters with some new Enforcer sculpts.

They are bringing Squats up to the same level of plastic as the Houses and Enforcers. The Extra Van Saar are a enchancment on the House. The Houses (except Delaque most likely) will come first in the enhancements of new model kits ( Thats how model companies work you have a core group as standard and keep renewing the range of them as the bread and butter while specalist groups, like Ash Nomads, play catch up).

The Necromunda team is much smaller than the Age of Sigmar and 40K teams and can only pursure so many avenues at a time.

But I'd prefer if we get some more Ash Waste Nomads, I need my bug transports!

What has the world come to when you, me and everyone else sincerely means it when they are calling GIANT BUGS PLEASE!!!!
(Foot flogging Ash nomads are pretty close to actually reaching the Max movement so its is possible to sprint alongside Dirt bikes. Enjoy that stange image).

 

[libratorr]

What has the world come to when you, me and everyone else sincerely means it when they are calling GIANT BUGS PLEASE!!!!
(Foot flogging Ash nomads are pretty close to actually reaching the Max movement so its is possible to sprint alongside Dirt bikes. Enjoy that stange image).

I'm just wondering if they'll go full Herbert and introduce worms, or alternatively do something with the lines in the fluff about Nomads taking their dead with them (mythologised to the point that it is rumoured they can't be killed)?

It'd be awesome if they had some sort of Bloodborne-Messenger-type-mini-graboid-things that could spirit-away dead or SI Nomads - even if it's a Night-Night-equivalent potion that spills when they go SI...maybe putting a clock on recovery (eg: if they go OOA on the ground they might have only two rounds before they're grabbed and bottled).

 

[Majortrauma]

@MusingWarboss Re enforcers.
Aside from combining the Faq updates, the Sanctioner and the Venator and maybe the Warhammer Community extra rules what new shiny toy will GW have to offer compared to the house gangs?
They have already full model weapons access via their initial box and Subjugators (i.e. no missing weapons on the class list not in the boxes) (Not that I wouldn't mind a upgrade box with more concussion carbines).
They have thier alternative base box (as Wyld runners and Death Maidens are yo Esher for example) in the Subjugators box.
They have thier unique Brute.
They have thier Ash wastes mount/unique vehicle like the House gangs (OK they cheated with Van Saar Neoteks and did anyone really expect them to do a Delaque option? Creepy fish dudes always last).
Aside from a box of just cyber mastiffs they don't really have anything model wise to bring them up to House levels of plastic (ignoring the forge world side).

Don't get me wrong I would love an Enforcer book, I just don't see the £ £ eyed GW higher ups doing it without completely redesigning the whole lot.

I wouldn't be too sure about that.

I do understand what you mean, but from the enforcers's perspective, they're current book is terribly out of date and has been gutted by the new necromunda campaign book. so much so, that there's not much reason to buy the book of judgment unless you wanted to specifically -not- play badzone enforcers. And from what I understand enforcers are a very weak but narratively popular faction. Meaning many people love the idea of being the cops and already have their models.
I feel that an updated book on it's own wouldn't be a bad sales pitch. Ignoring that they could easily add a new weapon sprue and give them a special champion, prospect and add new rules to them to better represent the "I am the Law" concept.
Heck, the original enforcers had a hound master that came bundled with the cyber dog as a regular champion/special.

but i do know what you mean. the squats had large voids to fill which mean that a new released book adds the sale of a book + any newly created models = bigger bucks.
As apposed to just New Book + old models that people already have=some profits.

If I was to put on a business hat, I wouldn't be surprised if the next two books was either an expansion on the idea of a -Book of the Ashwastes nomads-.
Or an update on the enforcers. And the first spot on sales would go to which one would be the bigger cost/profit ratio. I say this because I feel that ashwaste nomads might not be a particularly popular group, but the people who love them truly do love them. But then again I REALLY love enforcer's a lot, so I might just be heavily projecting my own sales preference and the fact that I REALLY want updated rules to play a proper enforcers gang bringing the law down to the lawless.

 

[Spenetrator]

I wouldn't be too sure about that.

I do understand what you mean, but from the enforcers's perspective, they're current book is terribly out of date and has been gutted by the new necromunda campaign book. so much so, that there's not much reason to buy the book of judgment unless you wanted to specifically -not- play badzone enforcers. And from what I understand enforcers are a very weak but narratively popular faction. Meaning many people love the idea of being the cops and already have their models.
I feel that an updated book on it's own wouldn't be a bad sales pitch. Ignoring that they could easily add a new weapon sprue and give them a special champion, prospect and add new rules to them to better represent the "I am the Law" concept.
Heck, the original enforcers had a hound master that came bundled with the cyber dog as a regular champion/special.

but i do know what you mean. the squats had large voids to fill which mean that a new released book adds the sale of a book + any newly created models = bigger bucks.
As apposed to just New Book + old models that people already have=some profits.

If I was to put on a business hat, I wouldn't be surprised if the next two books was either an expansion on the idea of a -Book of the Ashwastes nomads-.
Or an update on the enforcers. And the first spot on sales would go to which one would be the bigger cost/profit ratio. I say this because I feel that ashwaste nomads might not be a particularly popular group, but the people who love them truly do love them. But then again I REALLY love enforcer's a lot, so I might just be heavily projecting my own sales preference and the fact that I REALLY want updated rules to play a proper enforcers gang bringing the law down to the lawless.

Honestly I think there are things more pressing than more Enforcer stuff. I say this as someone who has Palanites, Subjugators, a converted taurox for them, the enforcer venator, and a gang of Badzone enforcers. I love them but they don't need more stuff.

Boring as it may sound: what we need is plastic for the things we already have rules for!

The Ash Waste Nomads are desperate for a plastic upgrade sprue with some missing weapons if not a creature/vehicle.

 

[Aulenback]

Do the Nomads need a bit of love to make them more fun to play and to play against in Rolling Roads scenarios? Something to carry their essential footers? Yes. Do they need something to allow them to include Visibility rules in Underhive games, since the lynchpin fighter around which so much of their playstyle is built, is mounted? Also yes. Do the Genestealer Cults and Helot Cults also need a bit of love to bring their ruleset up to speed? Yes. Enforcers and Corpse Grinders have a variety of recent updates to keep them "in the game," and don't need it as much.

But my money is on none of the above.

The money is in a set of Specialists like the Desolation Van Saar specialists, for the four other Houses*, because that's where the money is.

* Except Delaque, who will instead get a short spread in a White Dwarf issue shortly after the next Big Box drops with its strong themes having nothing to do with those Specialists.

Though "Necromunda: Aprocrypha Necromunda" showed us that they are entirely willing to charge hardback prices for a collation book that includes a couple of new upadates, and a reprint of free pdfs and White Dwarf articles, so an Enforcers compilation is certainly still a possibility.

 

[MusingWarboss]

Delaque have got some weird house specific sculpts of hangers on though…

I do wonder what’s going on with the Delaque, that they should consistently be last of the pack and often just plain be missed out and have a freebie patch the gap is a little concerning.

It does seem as though they have written them into a corner or niche that doesn’t really fit with the wider planet.

In terms of gangs with missing stuff - sure Ash Waste nomads are a bit left behind but then again so are Corpse Grinders and Chaos Cultists.

GSC just about get by, by virtue of their 40k kits being used as the generic vehicles in Necromunda. I did wonder if Genestealer related stuff would get a bigger expansion due to the Secundus release?

Really though most stuff released before 2020 needs a bit of an update as it’s quite old now - plus a few characters such as Kria the Huntress or the Slate Merdena seem to be locked into out of print books* - quite why they didn’t put them into the appropriate House book or Apocrypha is anyone’s guess?

*you do get a bit of blurb and a premade fighter card in the resin packs though so not all bad.

 

[Lunarcruiser]

Delaque have got some weird house specific sculpts of hangers on though…

I'd forgotten about them. So many cool model opportunities. They may get the odd one escape forge world
Randomly. In 3 years.

I do wonder what’s going on with the Delaque, that they should consistently be last of the pack and often just plain be missed out and have a freebie patch the gap is a little concerning.

It does seem as though they have written them into a corner or niche that doesn’t really fit with the wider planet.

Which is a shame. The Delaque corner is cool. Creepy but cool.

In terms of gangs with missing stuff - sure Ash Waste nomads are a bit left behind but then again so are Corpse Grinders and Chaos Cultists.

Chaos is all well and good, lots of gw chaos stuff, but there is a ok range in various 40k and kill team boxes for the £££ counters at GW to say "meh we might get round to it"

GSC just about get by, by virtue of their 40k kits being used as the generic vehicles in Necromunda. I did wonder if Genestealer related stuff would get a bigger expansion due to the Secundus release?

They've got a whole army to draw on. I doubt they will get a (much needed) rules update with no need to sell us more models. Maybe in a second Apocrypha style book.

Really though most stuff released before 2020 needs a bit of an update as it’s quite old now - plus a few characters such as Kria the Huntress or the Slate Merdena seem to be locked into out of print books* - quite why they didn’t put them into the appropriate House book or Apocrypha is anyone’s guess?

*you do get a bit of blurb and a premade fighter card in the resin packs though so not all bad.

They missed that in the Apocrypha book sadly which would have been a perfect place for it.
Maybe it was a cunning ploy to keep us on the hook for a new composite book. Or they couldn't stomach having to review the Wig guy, or the epic hat with Slagmyst tagging along.

 

[MusingWarboss]

Looks like this fellow shall be arriving soon, along with the usual compliment of new plastic kits, cards and dice.

Should be interesting to see what it includes (especially as the Squats only debuted recently in another book!).

Will this mark a new pattern of upgrading the non-House gangs to their own unique books too, or is it a one off because Squats are super popular??

So far on the list:
Enforcers could do with a compilation release bringing all of the scattered contents under one book.
Corpse Grinders have barely been touched since initial release.
Genestealer Cults could get wrapped into a book with Malstrigns to prove a comprehensive Genestealer book.
Chaos is pretty much ignored.
Venator Gangs… kinda lost their shine since Outcasts takes a similar concept and does it 100x better.
Ash Wastes Nomads are still relatively fresh but as Ash Wastes as an event has passed… who knows what will happen.

Did I miss one??

(Assuming House extras and Spyrers will be expanded out soonish d they’re the current thing)

 

[Beebopalulla]

A return of some old gangs like the Ratkins maybe?

 

[MusingWarboss]

Plenty of people would welcome that, along with a Scavvie release.

Are there any 1995-2002 gangs other than those two that haven’t been updated yet?

I guess with Scavvies they’ve given away a lot of their formerly unique traits, so would be interesting to see what they would do with them.

Ratskins always raises the inevitable finger-pointing type posts but in reality they don’t have to be written as they were before. Necromunda was in essence the Wild West in a Futuristic setting but has moved on from a lot of that now (though some terminology still lingers).

It would be cool to see a fresh approach to both - particularly if the could also in some way retain a hint of what they were, else you might as well just knock up some brand new gangs free from the legacy of previous versions.

(Brats predate 1995 before anyone says it. Though would be cool to see Confrontation gangs too)

 

[Ben_S]

Are there any 1995-2002 gangs other than those two that haven’t been updated yet?

When did the Pit Slave gang come out? I know it wasn't in Outlanders, but it's up there with Chaos/Genestealer Cultists and AWNs.

 

[Aulenback]

Are there any 1995-2002 gangs other than those two that haven’t been updated yet?

Pit Slaves were published in White Dwarf immediately after 1997's Outlanders. And the Ogryn Slave Uprising borrowed some of its themes (just as Outcasts borrows some of the themes from Scavvies and Ash Nomads borrow some of the themes from Ratskins), but doesn't really give a rule-set for the old gang and its minis.

 

[Ben_S]

Ah, true. I'd forgotten about the Ogryn gang.

Are you sure it was in White Dwarf though? I don't remember that and thought I would (if it was in the UK). I know other gangs were in the Citadel Journal.

 

[Aulenback]

It was. I have the issue, and have played the gang since then. White dwarf 224. Lovely full colour for the gang. Heh!