N18 Odd question - outcasts and Cawdor

[Aulenback]

Not a plan, but a curiosity. I noticed a YouTube video suggesting that taking House Affiliation: Cawdor would give access to Cawdor Articles of Faith, and be able to use Miracles.

Looking deeper into it, I don't think that is true - the video is wrong.

But I do think that if you also Elevate a Cawdor gang leader to be your Leader, THEY come with access to the Articles of Faith and, thus, Miracles. I think this, because that is where the access to those rules is buried - in one of the special rules of the two Cawdor gang leaders. "The Path we Follow" is the special rule, found on each of the Leader options in a House Cawdor gang, which unlocks the Articles of Faith.

So it looks at the moment to me as though if you take a Cawdor House Affiliation, and Elevate a House Cawdor leader option to be your Outcasts leader, you then:
1. Have Articles of Faith rules, and a Path of Faith, and generate Faith dice from your gang because of the elevated Leader's special rule
2. are treated by the Campaign rules as House Cawdor
3. Access the House Cawdor equipment lists
4. Can only form an Alliance with Ko'Iron
5. Choose Skill trees from the Archetype categories for your Gang Hierarchy fighters
6. Your champions will lose a point of BS and gain a point of WS, and worse Int (in case of rats), and cost 30 credits less
7. You lose access to the special rules that allow the gang to field additional Juves and Gangers over and above the established Crew numbers.
8. Your gangers would be slightly cheaper, but have similar stats and a wider equipment access.

So really, it looks like you would be trading the Crew numbers available on the table to a Cawdor gang, for access to different Skill trees, and slightly more flexible access to weaponry (fighters could combine Redemptionist and Law Abiding equipment). That's quite a blow to your action economy. Worth it? Perhaps to some.

 

[Banjulhu]

The video was wrong and you dont get access to House special rules such as Articles of Faith.

House affiliation basically does not do much. When an outcast gang aligns with a house it gains the following benefits

• When a Clan House Underhive Outcasts gang is created, you must choose one of the six Clan Houses for them to affiliate with: Cawdor, Delaque,Escher, Goliath, Van Saar or Orlock. For any scenario selection or campaign territories purposes, the Underhive Outcasts gang is considered to be a Clan House gang of the chosen type.
• Clan House Underhive Outcasts gangs may purchase weapons and Wargear normally restricted to their House Lists – including Exotic Beasts – during both gang creation and Campaign play.
• Clan House Underhive Outcasts gangs can only enter into Alliances with factions their Clan House would normally form a Strong Alliance with. Note, they do not benefit from having a Strong Alliance with them.
  

So you can count as a specific house for scenarios where that matters (basiclly none), buy house specifc weapons and pets (except you can't because these are linked to specific house profiles in a gang now and there is no longer such thing as House List) and you can have alliances with groups you patron house could ally with (which you could probably do anyway).

 

[Aulenback]

Yup. Fair enough. Agreed.

Though I think they WOULD get articles of faith by Elevating either of the two Cawdor leader options to be the gang leader. Elevated leaders keep their special rules. And the special rules for the Cawdor leaders are the Articles of Faith.

 

[Banjulhu]

As long as your local Arbitrator is OK with the hell hole that is the non-standard Outcast Leader rules I would agree from a purely mechanical standpoint.

That said if you came to me and said "I want to have a Cawdor aligned outcast gang with a basic Cawdor leader" I would likely just tell you to just play a Cawdor gang because it seems that what you want.

 

[Beebopalulla]

Not a plan, but a curiosity. I noticed a YouTube video suggesting that taking House Affiliation: Cawdor would give access to Cawdor Articles of Faith, and be able to use Miracles.

Looking deeper into it, I don't think that is true. But I do think that if you also Elevate a Cawdor gang leader to be your Leader, THEY come with access to the Articles of Faith and, thus, Miracles. I think this, because that is where the access to those rules is buried - in one of the special rules of the two Cawdor gang leaders. "The Path we Follow" is the special rule, found on each of the Leader options in a House Cawdor gang, which unlocks the Articles of Faith.

So it looks at the moment to me as though if you take a Cawdor House Affiliation, and Elevate a House Cawdor leader option to be your Outcasts leader, you then:
1. Have Articles of Faith rules, and a Path of Faith, and generate Faith dice from your full gang
2. are treated by the Campaign rules as House Cawdor
3. Access the House Cawdor equipment lists
4. Can only form an Alliance with Ko'Iron
5. Choose Skill trees from the Archetype categories for your Gang Hierarchy fighters
6. Your champions will lose a point of BS and gain a point of WS, and worse Int (in case of rats), and cost 30 credits less
7. You lose access to the special rules that allow the gang to field additional Juves and Gangers over and above the established Crew numbers.
8. Your gangers would be slightly cheaper, but have similar stats and a wider equipment access.

So really, it looks like you would be trading the Crew numbers available on the table to a Cawdor gang, for access to different Skill trees, and slightly more flexible access to weaponry (fighters could combine Redemptionist and Law Abiding equipment). That's quite a blow to your action economy. Worth it? Perhaps to some.

What is the video link? I m curious.

 

[Aulenback]

Oh! Relatedly: It looks as well that a Secundan Incursion Gang using Cawdor will lose Articles of Faith, Rules As Written, given that access to that feature is linked through the special rule for the Priest and the Word-Keeper about choosing a Path and its Articles. Without either a Priest or a Word-Keeper, you don't choose a Path, and don't get Articles of Faith thereby. And the Secundan Incursion Gangs replace the Leader (Word-Keeper or Priest) with a Spyrer who doesn't have those rules.

 

[Aulenback]

What is the video link? I m curious.

I think it was Commander Cheapskate, but at this point I cannot remember well enough to swear by it.

 

[Beebopalulla]

I think it was Commander Cheapskate, but at this point I cannot remember well enough to swear by it.

Thank you.