N18 Rotary Flensing Saw* - buyable as Goliath @ Trading Post
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Going by the complete trading post here in yaktribe vault (GW ain't ever going to give us one complete trading post, or anything complete single source really), it is R9 55cr so available to anyone with TP access.
There are a lot of items from the various books (Book of Peril say) that don't appear in the abbreviated Trading Post in the 2023 Core Rule Book or in the 2022 pdf Trading Post. Nothing published, however, says they stopped existing. That should include the Trading Post items from the Book of Judgement and from the Book of Ruin and the Book of Peril. That would include the saw, at Rare 9 in the Trading Post in the Book of Ruin, not restricted to only the CGC list (for whom it was not Rare).
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The only thing that might need adjusting there is if they reissue those pre-House of books which have different equipment listings than the House onwards.
At present you can fudge it that those still exist and get away with it but from House onwards with individual fighter lists and house weapons it’s not entirely clear that the older system those books were based on meant that anyone could take what in the face of it appears to be a CGC specific weapon.
If it appears in a trading post there it may have been done to allow purchases outside of an initial starting list - if so I’d need to see the actual book to be sure.
Peril clearly does as those items were offered as thematic additions to, outside of any gangs present, but even stuff in that book could do with updating to modern standards.
At present you can fudge it that those still exist and get away with it but from House onwards with individual fighter lists and house weapons it’s not entirely clear that the older system those books were based on meant that anyone could take what in the face of it appears to be a CGC specific weapon.
If it appears in a trading post there it may have been done to allow purchases outside of an initial starting list - if so I’d need to see the actual book to be sure.
Peril clearly does as those items were offered as thematic additions to, outside of any gangs present, but even stuff in that book could do with updating to modern standards.
It does appear quite explicitly in the Trading Post addition there. Page 118. Entirely separate to the gang's equipment lists, and separate to the weapons reference chart. In the Trading Post it was Rare 9, and 55 credits. And the only reason to do so would be to make it available to gangs whose equipment lists it didn't appear in -- that is to say, to make it available to non-CGC gangs:
-- Page 118, Book of Ruin
-- Page 118, Book of Ruin
-- Page 119, Book of Ruin
Rules as written, it is really quite explicit. Even Rules As Intended is a difficult argument, since the writing in the Trading Post Appendix really is so direct. These things are not guarded by each house or gang, these things are available on the open market, these things are not intrinsically linked to only one gang. These things are listed here to allow other gangs in Dominion campaigns and others to make use of them.
Indeed, it is RAW and most likely RAI - in 2019.
In 2020 they changed things up and these have not been repeated or included in any subsequent trading posts. The fact the text references a now discontinued and obsolete book as your go to point of reference should be the warning flag that not all is up to date here.
I remember much discussion at the time over boning swords and how effective they were and why wouldn’t any gang take one if they could over any other type.Its possible that GW never reissued the opportunity to get those weapons outside of that book as some were too good for general use.
…because they were reclassed in 2022 to bring them in line with, well, everyone else it seems.
Interestingly, GW released a PDF trading post in 2022 (apparently updated 17/9/2024) which doesn’t include any of those items on page 119 of Book of Ruin - all of which seem awfully CGC themed.
Make of that what you will.
If you like a quote:
So… did they forget to include the CGC equipment?
They’ve never FAQed that those items are now CGC only (Apparently they did in 2022, see Edit below) but then again they’ve never listed them as general items for purchase in the (at least three) published Trading Posts that exist since then (Outcast, 23Core, 22-24 PDF), which means the only way to get them “officially” is to buy the old Book of Ruin.
But… as Book of Ruin is still the “current” version for those gangs, you’re left assuming that they still operate in a 2019 way. However I’m assuming you’re not recommending the OP plays their Goliaths in a 2019 line up kind of way to match.
By all means use them in your games if you want though.If they won’t issue updates to rules then it’s all fair game I guess.
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Well well, it seems those weapons were reclassed as unique to Corpse Grinder Cults after all.
How do we square the omissions of the CGC weapons from future Trading Posts to this, published in White Dwarf 482 (Nov 2022)?
Bear in mind the Core Rule book integrated the contemporary Black Market lists into the latest TP.
In 2020 they changed things up and these have not been repeated or included in any subsequent trading posts. The fact the text references a now discontinued and obsolete book as your go to point of reference should be the warning flag that not all is up to date here.
I remember much discussion at the time over boning swords and how effective they were and why wouldn’t any gang take one if they could over any other type.
…because they were reclassed in 2022 to bring them in line with, well, everyone else it seems.
Interestingly, GW released a PDF trading post in 2022 (apparently updated 17/9/2024) which doesn’t include any of those items on page 119 of Book of Ruin - all of which seem awfully CGC themed.
Make of that what you will.
If you like a quote:
Page 2 - 2022/24 PDF
So… did they forget to include the CGC equipment?
But… as Book of Ruin is still the “current” version for those gangs, you’re left assuming that they still operate in a 2019 way. However I’m assuming you’re not recommending the OP plays their Goliaths in a 2019 line up kind of way to match.
By all means use them in your games if you want though.
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Well well, it seems those weapons were reclassed as unique to Corpse Grinder Cults after all.
How do we square the omissions of the CGC weapons from future Trading Posts to this, published in White Dwarf 482 (Nov 2022)?
Bear in mind the Core Rule book integrated the contemporary Black Market lists into the latest TP.
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This topic isn't limited to CGC weapons, it's a general structural change of Trading Post from N18-N19 to N20+. There are many more items like this that are not originating from CGC.
Though again, every item from the Book of Peril was not included. It is pretty selective, and not comprehensive is the answer as regards the Core Rule Book Trading Post - it is, as one might say, the Core of the Trading Post.
And there's the rub.
Though the flier included in that White Dwarf among the other unrelated fliers does seem to restrict the full Trading Post from the Book of Ruin to be CGC only, contrary to the Book of Ruin. I do wish they would publicize retroactive errata (as this would be errata) rather than hiding it in an envelope of "surprise" extras on Warcry and 40K. Argh.
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I posited a while back that as BoJ and BoR are pre-House and not exactly fitting into the current rules style, that they might quietly disappear and be replaced by newer more targeted books.
That was prompted by the Squats getting their own book, despite having a gang list released only recently in another book.
Another prompt was the Black Market suddenly appearing in the Core 2023 rulebook. Or at least much of it, I don’t now how much was actually ported over - list master @TopsyKretts seems to have kept that recorded. Anyway, it’s not like GW to miss the opportunity to sell us another whole book just to get one bit from it!
With Enforcers expanding to have Ash Wastes versions, a new big robot, a vehicle and some other bits that someone else suggested which I’ve forgotten - a new book just for them seems a possibility, if nothing else to collate all the material.
Getting to your question: Book of Peril’s Badlands Trading Post was not included in any capacity.
I believe that’s by design. Two reasons.
1. They want you to still buy that book and putting a chunk of it in the core devalues what is already the slimmest volume in the Necromunda library.
2. The 2022 PDF Trading Post specifically called out that it was the ‘Default’ TP and that additional extra posts could be found in… I’ll just quote the PDF:
Moving a year along and the ‘default’ TP in the Core now has the Black Market integrated but the left out Badlands.
Why? As I speculated above; they probably still want you to buy Peril but Judgment may be on the cards for being squatted in the near future - in both the old and new sense. They may well have decided that having it tied into an Enforcer book isn’t something they want to do any more.
I can’t see Peril going just yet as there’s too much generic material in there that hasn’t been replaced or augmented elsewhere.
Only the Venator Gang is the bit that really needs a quick brush up rules wise but they may think it’s not worth it (or they could just cull the gang as it was one of those early concepts to allow you to get figures on the table before they got all the Houses out in the Gang War series).
However it is now the oldest modern book still in publication and who knows - it might just disappear one day and most if not all of the content reappear, updated, along with missing Dramatis Personae from GotU and the odd extra WD article in “Necromunda: Apocrypha #2” - or even split across N:A #2 & #3!!
It seems like they wanted different posts relating to different environments initially and a universal one in the main rule book.
Now it seems like they think that’s too much effort.
The thing about Necromunda is (I’m sure you’re aware) that they just don’t explicitly tell you when things change or have been retired and leave you to read between the lines a lot, which often requires you to read all of the books and additional published material!
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