Interesting potential to resolve the entire game within the first round.
Seems like the obvious counter is to include infiltrators with overwatch...
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Seems like the obvious counter is to include infiltrators with overwatch...
true, even if it would take a while to level up characters to get both... (they're both in the enforcer lists)
True - because Threat Response Activates the fighter, they would then trigger an opposing Overwatch fighter in turn, which itself would interrupt THEIR Activation, before coming back to the rest of that first fighter’s Charge (Double) action and its Fight action. Phew!
Is there an infiltrator countermeasure, like in 40k or 30k, where they flatly can't set up infiltrators within a certain number of inches of the model/item?
I can't think of one...
I can't think of one...
Yes. With Infiltrate, in Necromunda, "set them up anywhere on the battlefield that is not visible to any enemy fighters, and not within 6" of any of them" is the rule. So not just a distance (six inches) away, but also must be entirely out of line of sight of any and all opposing fighters. During the regular deployment, before infiltrate, I tend to set up fighters in groups, watching widely around each other, to cut off infiltration access (I played a lot against Delaque).
I did know that...I was wondering about like an item that prevents infiltrators with a larger distance than the base 6"
Like how in 30k, you have a pretty standard "Augury Scanner" that denies infiltrators within 18".
Like how in 30k, you have a pretty standard "Augury Scanner" that denies infiltrators within 18".
I think the new Van Saar specialists may have one? Hmm.
Aha!
AUGERSPEX
EXCLUSIVE
Enemy fighters may not be set up within 12" of a fighter
with an augurspex as either Reinforcements or using
the Infiltrate skill.
A piece of equipment available only to the Book of Desolation Van Saar Tek-Hunter specialist.
Aha!
AUGERSPEX
EXCLUSIVE
Enemy fighters may not be set up within 12" of a fighter
with an augurspex as either Reinforcements or using
the Infiltrate skill.
A piece of equipment available only to the Book of Desolation Van Saar Tek-Hunter specialist.
It originated from Hive Secundus book, designed to be used by Incursion gang against the arbitrator Malstrain Forces. And as you say got wider access in BoD to be used by Van Saar.
Frag traps and such stay in your stash until you choose to use them. Does that happen during Deploymemt? If so, yes, you could stash some until fighting someone with a lot of infiltrate, then use them to lock down infiltrators. If it happens after deployment, then they wouldn’t help against infiltrators.
BEFORE deployment, eh? That could still be useful to lock out infiltrators from various areas. Frag traps are 20 credits common,
BEFORE deployment, eh? That could still be useful to lock out infiltrators from various areas. Frag traps are 20 credits common,
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It says...
"A booby trap is represented by a marker placed upon the battlefield at the start of the battle, after the battlefield has been set up but before deploying any fighters. If both gangs possess and wish to use booby traps, the defender or the winner of a roll-off (if there is no defender) places theirs first."
So, yes, they could be used as an anti-infiltrator countermeasure. The traps are friend or foe, so...yeah, you could box yourself in....I guess it could work as like a really expensive countermeasure, or an affordable one if the terrain gave you some obvious choke point.
Hmm...though it does look useful against roaming horrors...
The 2018 edition rules (GotU) placed multiple tokens for each booby trap? N23 appears to have changed that in the Core Rule Book?
Edit: correction, GotU used the same rules as the N23 Core Rule Book. But I too read the “multiple tokens per booby trap” somewhere. Now to figure out where.
Edit: correction, GotU used the same rules as the N23 Core Rule Book. But I too read the “multiple tokens per booby trap” somewhere. Now to figure out where.
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Aha! Maybe THAT is the one! Thank you!
Edit: Aha! House of Shadows. "Hidden Traps" rule. Some traps are designated "Hidden Traps," and use that rule.
That rule is not reproduced in the N23 Core Rule Book. Or the N18 Core Rulebook. But it does appear in each of the N20 House Of X books. I just checked Escher, and it is there too, applied to each of the "house only" trap types. Web and Sightblind for Delaque. Blade Cage and Decapitator for Escher, etc.
So those could also definitely help affect Infiltrators.
Edit: Aha! House of Shadows. "Hidden Traps" rule. Some traps are designated "Hidden Traps," and use that rule.
HOS p. 101.
That rule is not reproduced in the N23 Core Rule Book. Or the N18 Core Rulebook. But it does appear in each of the N20 House Of X books. I just checked Escher, and it is there too, applied to each of the "house only" trap types. Web and Sightblind for Delaque. Blade Cage and Decapitator for Escher, etc.
So those could also definitely help affect Infiltrators.
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Yeah, though this traps stuffs all assumes that the infiltrators are all one trick ponies. If I see the mines or the threat response, my infiltrators might just take up sniper positions with lasguns, even if they also have melee. I guess my point is that it doesn't seem like you'd really solve the "infiltrator problem" by blocking their path or preparing to charge them when they charge, they'll just appear somewhere else if you block them.
Could be useful if you have like 1 character that absolutely cannot be charged turn 1.
Hmm...one of the bounty hunters I recall reading had something like this...ah Ortruum 8-8, one of his abilities, "soul hound" flatly denies the use of infiltrate vs one enemy fighter.
"Soul Hound: A unique ability possessed by Ortruum 8-8, and one that makes its services particularly valuable to Bounty Hunters, Enforcers and Guilders, is the ability to hunt down individuals based on their psychic spoor. Before a game begins, nominate one fighter (Leader, Champion, Juve, Specialist or equivalent) from your opponent's gang. This fighter is the one that Ortruum 8-8 has been sent to track down. This fighter must be deployed on the table at the start of the game, and must therefore be included in your opponent's crew, however that is selected.
For the duration of this game, the nominated fighter is haloed by a ghostly illumination, marking them out to their enemies as Ortruum 8-8 constantly focuses upon their location. All shooting attacks made against the nominated fighter gain a +1 modifier on hit rolls. Additionally, the nominated fighter may not use the Infiltrate or Lie Low skills for the duration of this game."
Could be useful if you have like 1 character that absolutely cannot be charged turn 1.
Hmm...one of the bounty hunters I recall reading had something like this...ah Ortruum 8-8, one of his abilities, "soul hound" flatly denies the use of infiltrate vs one enemy fighter.
"Soul Hound: A unique ability possessed by Ortruum 8-8, and one that makes its services particularly valuable to Bounty Hunters, Enforcers and Guilders, is the ability to hunt down individuals based on their psychic spoor. Before a game begins, nominate one fighter (Leader, Champion, Juve, Specialist or equivalent) from your opponent's gang. This fighter is the one that Ortruum 8-8 has been sent to track down. This fighter must be deployed on the table at the start of the game, and must therefore be included in your opponent's crew, however that is selected.
For the duration of this game, the nominated fighter is haloed by a ghostly illumination, marking them out to their enemies as Ortruum 8-8 constantly focuses upon their location. All shooting attacks made against the nominated fighter gain a +1 modifier on hit rolls. Additionally, the nominated fighter may not use the Infiltrate or Lie Low skills for the duration of this game."
question (badzone enforcer rules):
-'vanilla' enforcers have acces to all the special ammunitions for the subjugation pattern grenade
-RAW I read the Badzone Enforcers don't have this access and only have acces to thrown grenades and the subjugation pattern launcher without additional ammo types
-this leads to: can I start a campaign with a standard grenade launcher w/ammo bought at the trading post?
(or did I misread anything)
sources: house of judgement/Badzone Enforcers WD article
-'vanilla' enforcers have acces to all the special ammunitions for the subjugation pattern grenade
-RAW I read the Badzone Enforcers don't have this access and only have acces to thrown grenades and the subjugation pattern launcher without additional ammo types
-this leads to: can I start a campaign with a standard grenade launcher w/ammo bought at the trading post?
(or did I misread anything)
sources: house of judgement/Badzone Enforcers WD article
Seems like we have same understanding here. Don't think you can start with anything from the Trading Post? Only after 1st battle. Unless you had some specific exception in mind?
You can start with Grenade launcher (frag & stun). But can't start with any other ammo, as none are given in the Badzone variant gang equipment table. Since this weapon is "unique" in terms of a specific name (enforcer grenade launcher or whatever it is called), it also can't be upgraded with normal grenade launcher ammo from Trading Post. And since the vanilla Enforcers never shared their unique grenade launcher ammo with the Trading Post, Badzone can't get them. Ever. Personally, I don't fancy specific names for the same thing, so I'd just treat anything with the same profile and same-ish name as identical with compatible ammo.
You can start with Grenade launcher (frag & stun). But can't start with any other ammo, as none are given in the Badzone variant gang equipment table. Since this weapon is "unique" in terms of a specific name (enforcer grenade launcher or whatever it is called), it also can't be upgraded with normal grenade launcher ammo from Trading Post. And since the vanilla Enforcers never shared their unique grenade launcher ammo with the Trading Post, Badzone can't get them. Ever. Personally, I don't fancy specific names for the same thing, so I'd just treat anything with the same profile and same-ish name as identical with compatible ammo.
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