N18 Shower thought on enforcer stub pistols...

sumpthing

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I've been thinking about the lack of flavour with palanite and subjugator lists and immediately I thought of the Karl Urban Dredd movies with the different types of ammunition... Specifically how to implement all of the existing ammunition types for other guns onto the "lawbringer pattern" stub pistol. Any thoughts?
 

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I'm sure I've seen this exact tought somewhere else - perhaps facebook.

Suggestions were along these lines:
Flare - standard profile, but with Blaze and Flash.
Double Whammy - Treat the shot as if the Enforcer is armed with two standard stub guns and has the Gunfighter skill.
AP - As per DumDum rounds but with AP-1.
Stun - standard profile, but with Stun.
Edit: Shot - same profile as sawn-off shotgun.

Personally I'd put Scarce on them all as well - but for the ammo types, not the gun itself.

It's the costs that would be tricky, as usual.
 
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JawRippa

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Were these suggestions for stub pistol only? Autopistol would be quite weird with some of these
 

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Were these suggestions for stub pistol only? Autopistol would be quite weird with some of these
Yes, just the stub pistol. Of course, the Lawgiver also has a specific "rapid fire" mode alongside "FMJ" (the standard stub gun profile). That would be adding RF1 to a standard profile shot.
 
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kueppe

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As a single Pistol i see no problems. U need to check ofcourse if u allow dual wielding or additional ammo with this (to keep it simple, i would suggest no)

Cost...we could take a look along existing pistols. Bolt Pistol is just better than any mode. So under 45. Sawed of shotgun is about 15. Blaze is a strong trait (Acid Rounds cost about 15 for Escher). With the versatility and since some of the suggested effects are not rly strong i come down to prob around 25 to 30.
 
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sumpthing

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I think 25cr is reasonable given that any extra ammo will need to be paid for.

Scarce on all ammo types I think is fair as well.
 

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25cr if you have to buy the ammo separately, 40 or even 50cr if you didn't would be my take. Everything except the standard stubgun round would be Scarce, so no reloading. Upper price above that of a Bolt Pistol because whilst the BP is strictly better than any specific mode, variety has a value all of its own.

I forsee the nice cinematic situation of working through your different ammo types because they're running out one by one.
 
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JawRippa

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I'm assumming that it would need a special rule since Dredd's pistol does not need to be reloaded when one ammo type runs out, it just switches types on the go. So if you run out with any of these types, you don't have to reload, similar to combi.
 

sumpthing

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25cr if you have to buy the ammo separately, 40 or even 50cr if you didn't would be my take. Everything except the standard stubgun round would be Scarce, so no reloading. Upper price above that of a Bolt Pistol because whilst the BP is strictly better than any specific mode, variety has a value all of its own.

I forsee the nice cinematic situation of working through your different ammo types because they're running out one by one.
I hadn't thought about buying it complete with all of the ammo types! That makes perfect sense for an enforcer, great idea!

50cr seems reasonable...

Yeah I think it'll add some fun to dishing out the law!
 
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Vonvilkee

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Use the Combi rules and scarce all the fancy rounds while leaving the standard rounds plentiful. This would mean that it is very unlikely to pass an ammo roll but is easy to reload the basic rounds.

If making it a separate purchase you could even go limited give it a single stat line but have a multipack trait that allows you to select one trait from a list. Blaze, stun, concussion, seismic and even rapid fire (1).
 

JawRippa

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As a single Pistol i see no problems. U need to check ofcourse if u allow dual wielding or additional ammo with this (to keep it simple, i would suggest no)

Cost...we could take a look along existing pistols. Bolt Pistol is just better than any mode. So under 45. Sawed of shotgun is about 15. Blaze is a strong trait (Acid Rounds cost about 15 for Escher). With the versatility and since some of the suggested effects are not rly strong i come down to prob around 25 to 30.
Logical explanation behind one pistol per enforcer would be the simple fact that only one such pistol is issued and registered per person.
 
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Autopistol already have 7 different ammo types, I don't see the need to add more. There are so many existing weapons and ammos in the game already.