So then let's introduce an Outcast gang to the mix. Let's give it an Escher affiliation. Would you then say that a an outcast leader or champion cannot take an Escher cutter?
N18 Spyrer taking an Escher Cutter
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But it's the same argument for the spyrer leader of an incursion gang. Both count as the house gang, both aren't strictly Escher fighters but are the appropriate type, and the Escher cutter adds itself to wargear lists of the appropriate fighter.Strictly RAW I would have to look more into that...But of course (almost) no Arbitrator would say no to this.
The Outcast "... may purchase weapons and Wargear normally restricted to their House Lists." Hhhhmmm... Does the Cutter become part of the list?
Anyway... just because the rules for outcasts are a bit of a mess, doesnt mean a spyrer can take a gravcutter.
Anyway... just because the rules for outcasts are a bit of a mess, doesnt mean a spyrer can take a gravcutter.
Outcast book is old. Back when gangs had house lists. Escher cutter adds itself to the relevant fighter's equipment wargear list.
Outcast is one of the newer books and came out after the "house of.." books, it's certainly post the death of house lists and introduction of fighter equipment lists.
Reading this thread, this strikes me as one of those (many) Necromunda vague rules where you can technically argue you can, but the fact that you have to tie yourself into so many knots to do so suggest this was clearly not rules as intended.
In Necromunda this means it falls to the Arbitrator to decide (the ultimate cop out for GWs lax rule writing) so it's for you to agree with your group ultimately.
Personally I wouldn't allow this, it feels powergamey and goes hugely against the whole Spryer fluff, but your group may well think it's a cool idea.
I don't think at this stage anyone is going to point to the exact point in a book that 100% clarifies whether this is or isn't allowed to the absolute satisfaction of all parties.
Logic is sound, but it comes down to semantics and lackluster rules. If you want and others agree, go ahead. RAW is questionable, RAI certainly not.
I agree, it sounds very much like an unintended consequence of older rules (Ash Wastes) conflicting with newer rules as the older ones were written before this stuff was a thing.
If we go by what has been said before in relation to gangs it is that they do not share each others unique house equipment.
Spyrers are very unlikely to be strapping on their expensive rigs and then hopping on an Escher makeshift moped when they probably have a Space-Harley Davidson at home.
It seems like the argument being made is that as a Spyrer joins an excursion gang and takes over the role of leader that somehow that makes them Escher (or whatever) too.
I think if you put it into real world terms - a local police department suddenly gets their case led by the FBI - that doesn’t make the Fed a member of the local PD nor does it make the police officers FBI. They are their own things but there is power hierarchy in place that needs to be followed.
Same seems to be intended here.
Ultimately though it’s down to the Arbitrator and other players.
That doesn't say a Spyrer becomes a member of an Escher gang. It says the Spyrer is a member of an Incursion gang, and the is leader of the Escher gang. NOT an Escher.
The "name change" is a convention since House gang leaders are called "Matriarch" or "Road Captain," etc., but function as "Leader."
An Incursion gang is a "base gang" led by a Spyrer. It's the same with an Outcast gang.
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The "I Get Knocked Down" rule's damage is determined by the fighter's last activation's worth of movement, not the total last round's worth of movement.
Probably good to keep in mind given two-activation-a-round Spyrers can hit the 10+ movement threshold with enough force to make the table expand another step!
Well that perfectly cinches the argument
(Do you know where I can get a Space Harley Davidson? Something I really need in my life
)Ok fine a real world perfectly encapsulated the argument being all grown up and sensible.
Nope. Where's the Space Harley?!
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Space Harley…
Well I was thinking of these:
But the Squat hover trike isn’t too bad and there’s a few 3rd party wheeled versions around too now.
In all honestly, if you’d got a cool enough conversion I’d let you use it.
Go convert!!!
Well I was thinking of these:
But the Squat hover trike isn’t too bad and there’s a few 3rd party wheeled versions around too now.
In all honestly, if you’d got a cool enough conversion I’d let you use it.
Go convert!!!
This reminds me of the old imperial assassin with chameleoline who would transform from a lowly Eldar guardian into a dude wearing terminator armour and riding a bike... Because the rules didn't say you couldn't...
(This did eventually get fixed in a White Dwarf from what I remember).
(This did eventually get fixed in a White Dwarf from what I remember).
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