Necromunda The Spire: An N17/N18 Praising Thread

SuboptimusPrime

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Board size is a bit of a Catch 22 in our campaign. When the boards are smaller, the Van Saar player whines. When they are larger, the Goliath player whines. As for me, small board means the web weaponry comes out, large board means its laser cannon time. There's a reason I was awarded "most hated gang" late last year, but you don't get to a gang rating of 2666 without making an enemy or five.

Considering the box: It's a pretty good box I'd say, but it will be the first one I skip because I already have 1.5 boxes of Escher, 2 of Delaque, and thanks to my gaming group butchering several boxes of DU among themselves, I also have enough of that kind of terrain for now.

But still, pretty good box in my opinion. Not as flashy as DU, because nothing in it is really new, but better value and more useful.
 

MusingWarboss

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...has me thinking of making games smaller and faster to fit space and time constraints.
Smaller games are very good! Plus if the old tiles tell you anything it’s that varying your playing spaces is actually a good thing as it keeps all gangs on their toes.

The old idea of a 4’x4’ with terrain was ok for 90s editions as they all started the same (still needed tonnes of LOS blockers though). Personally I think 3’x3’ is big enough for the modern game, especially as you can go up!

Mix that with ZM tunnel style games, layouts that aren’t square and even skirmishes in the box tray type games and you can really mix it up!
 

Space Truckin

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So...I know I'm way late on this but just received a copy of the DU rulebook and the campaign seems really really cool. If course the only thing I can compare it to is the 1st gangwar book. But if I stick w this and Book or Ruin I should be alright and just ignore all the House of and Justice book. Curious if they will reprint book of perils. Thats the only other one I was interested in.
 

almic85

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So...I know I'm way late on this but just received a copy of the DU rulebook and the campaign seems really really cool. If course the only thing I can compare it to is the 1st gangwar book. But if I stick w this and Book or Ruin I should be alright and just ignore all the House of and Justice book. Curious if they will reprint book of perils. Thats the only other one I was interested in.

I think the campaign in the dark uprising rulebooks is actually one of the better campaigns that they have done, so if you are happy with that campaign I would stick to it.

BoP is still available down here in Australia but I would recommend picking up the ePub digital version for most of the additional rulebooks as you end up saving 40% on the cost and don’t have to carry around a bazillion books.

Book of Peril is good if you want to add in badzone environments and events (similar idea to what used to be in the old Outlanders expansion). other than that it has venator rules, the rules for guild alliances and some additional trading post stuff to interact with the badzones.

Book of Justice also has the Law and Misrule campaign as well as criminal alliances, all the black market trading post items and enforcers (which are the same as the rules in the DU rulebook).

Keep in mind that the DU campaign doesn’t have a trading post so if you want to use the extra stuff you will need to house rule in a trading post of some description.

Both books though are full of fun (if broken) stuff and if you plan on running a law and misrule campaign you will need both of them.
 

TopsyKretts

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The alliances (guilds aka law-abiding & recividists aka outlaws) from N19 are version 1. Several of them are superseded by alliances v2 from N20.
 
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Space Truckin

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Good to know thanks! Wont be playing outside the home literally house rules should make things work. Was interested in alliances and guilds but if there is a v2 out there I'm guessing that's in the house of series and will have to wait till things get more stable with rules releases.
Really liking this book even though it's now probably obsolete. Even got me looking st CGC models on ebay.
 
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Jacob Dryearth

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Nothing in the Dark Uprising book has been replaced or updated.

The Corpse Grinders and Enforcers don't follow the current House of X list format (gang hierarchy, number of champions, equipment list logic), but as more specialized gangs the differences don't seem out of place.

Do note that the errata changes a few things, notable all Enforcers get free magnacles, and cult initiates can keep their guns when promoted.
 

Stoof

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It's a new extra annoying way they've realised they can stoke ire - releasing in a cheaper, better format the same thing they've released previously in difficult to use and expensive resin :ROFLMAO: Like a better version of the phone you JUST bought going on sale the week after you got yours... I'm looking at you O2...

Oh, spire... spire... uhm... plastic upgrade sprues are surely a good thing for building NCE gangs as well. Yeah. That's spirey.
 

MusingWarboss

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Was just thinking Necromunda must be selling incredibly well. Never thought we would see plastic upgrade sprues.
Would be curious how sales compare to killteam.
It always seems to sell out, so yeah, I’d say it sells well.

Now debate is out on whether this is pure demand for the game, scalpers, converters Etc.

Kill Team is tougher as it uses 40k units so hard to measure that, it’s metric would be the specific KT stuff. As an anecdote, I had heard some of the character packs, settings and team boxes were being phased out. A year later they were still available to buy - at Warhammer World.
 
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Space Truckin

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Seems like there are more releases and increased social media surrounding Neomunda. Although my opinion could be skewed as I'm mostly on here.

Will be jumping on the Redemptionist train myself w/ Cawdor on the side. need to do something about those silly hats.
 
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Sobek

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Was just thinking Necromunda must be selling incredibly well. Never thought we would see plastic upgrade sprues.
Would be curious how sales compare to killteam.

I bought a lot of 40k stuff that I only use for Kill Team and Necromunda. On the other hand, I hardly bought anything labeled "Kill Team".

While there were boxes with units / elite infantry / characters re-packaged and labelled "Kill Team", these are primarily 40k models one can ALSO use for Kill Team, so I guess it will be quite hard to tell the popularity of Kill Team as a game system from miniature sales.

Necromunda models / Gang boxes however are much more specific to the game system and overlap with general 40k is probably quite small. I can see Underhive Gangers in Imperial Guard armies or crossover ranges such as Genestealer or Chaos Cultists, but I think the majority of Necromunda model sales is linked to the buyer intending to play Necromunda with these models.

I remember Andy Hoare adressing the issue of two identical sprues in Necromunda boxes with the Specialist Team (which is basically Forge World, so separate from the main systems such as 40k and AoS) being allowed one plastic sprue per quarter for their game systems, because the molds are crazy expensive and they were not sure if re-imagined Necromunda would hit home.

Also taking into account that GW plastic sprue releases have a lead time of three years (heard/read that in several GW designer notes/interviews),
I guess all of the Necromunda releases up to House of Trenchcoats and plastic weapons sprues for the six great Houses were mapped out from the start of Newcromunda (as the weapon/head upgrades are basically half the size of a "normal" sprue (and come in small boxes with two identical sprues).

The Corpse Grinder Cult gang also had double sprue syndrome, Subjugators heralded the specialist/champ/pets-style second box for every Gang of the Great Houses and I think the main purpose of Dark Uprising was to introduce plastic Zone Mortalis scenery with a starter set type box.

That said, I am pretty excited about new releases after House of Trenchcoats and the remainder plastic weapon upgrade sprues for Orlock, Van Saar, Cawdor and Delaque.

When we finally get to see a release for Necromunda with two different sprues per box, to me this is proof Newcromunda has become a successful product line that has surpassed expectations and may be supported for years to come.
 
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almic85

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When we finally get to see a release for Necromunda with two different sprues per box, to me this is proof Newcromunda has become a successful product line that has surpassed expectations and may be supported for years to come.

I mean all that really is is a box set that has one normal gang sprue and one specialist champion sprue in the same box.

Would it really be worthwhile for them to rebox their stock to sell it that way?

I mean add in a specific leader model (like the Escher or Orlock“champions” released by forge world or any gang specific hired gun) and you basically have a whole faction to play with.
 
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Sobek

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I mean all that really is is a box set that has one normal gang sprue and one specialist champion sprue in the same box.

Would it really be worthwhile for them to rebox their stock to sell it that way?

Not talking re-packaging existing sprues obviously, I mean (frequent) new releases with not just duplicate sprues. Which means they are allowed more investments which suggests they expect this money to come back in.

Two and a half plastic sprues per faction over the course of several years apparently was a risk worth taking for the team.

I know this may be a strange indicator for the success of a model range, but we are likely to not get any official sales figures and even if, we‘d have nothing to compare those numbers (40k has a much larger player base and players collecting several factions will spend much more money by default - and Kill Team model sales are hardly distinguishable from 40k model sales).

I think we are about to hit the end of a release cycle up to detailed House books and plastic weapons.

I am truly excited for next year‘s releases.