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Necromunda The Sump: General hobby venting thread (Beware:grumpy grognards)
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Aha! You charge my leader, eh? Well the joke's on you! I have both a Goremist Battleshroud and a Subatomic Ion Field, meaning your fighter actually charges himself, twice simultaneously! And further to this, I Passively Engage my Temporal Castellum to reclaim a Banked Action from my previous game, activating my Encroacher's Lexical Divergence talent to swap each instance of the word 'fighter' for 'player' for the remainder of the action, meaning all injuries caused are instead applied to your actual, physical person! Aha!
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And to add insult to injury for a British company they completely forgot the option to give the vehicle a damn good thrashing!!
It’s another step away from abstraction which doesn’t help. We get it GW - you can turn a key and hope, push start, and bump start a car. We didn’t need you to capture all that tediously in the rules.
It’s a bit like the Versatile trait. You can fight from further away because your weapon is long, so here’s a whole new mechanic to capture that etc etc. which works technically, but is fiddly and tedious. When they could just have said long weapons have -1 to-hit from non-versatile reaction attacks.
Over abstraction is bad, over articulation also bad.
And there is a lot of that in this edition. I understand that some of it is to cover exploits or unforeseen situations but I think it can make for a very muddy ruleset. Just look at the now three page thread on a simple move action over in the rules forum.
That’s what the in store Magic tournaments sound like to me at my FLGS. Soooo much tapping…
Here is a complete summary of vehicle actions:
Then there are actions when stationary as already mentioned:
- Move (Simple): Move + 1 pivot.
- Manoeuvre (Simple): Half move + any number of pivots (funny how each pivot is still limited to 90°).
- Move & Shoot (Basic): Half move + 1 pivot + shoot 1 weapon.
- Fire All (Basic): Shoot all weapons.
- Reload (Simple): Yaddayadda.
- Aim (Basic): Yaddayadda.
- Drift (Basic): Half move "in a straight line anywhere in its Side arc". Afterwards, pass a handling test or lose control.
- Ram (Double): Move + D6" + 1 pivot. If crashing, it suffers reduced damage itself (counts Move stat as halved).
- Spin (Basic): Move + 1 180° pivot. Afterwards, pass a handling test or lose control.
- Full Throttle (Double): 3xMove + 1 pivot. Afterwards, if pivoting, pass a handling test (-1 modifier) or lose control.
Then there are actions when stationary as already mentioned:
- Jump Start (Simple): Handling test (+1 modifier if having 2+ 'Wounds' remaining) to become mobile.
- Turn-over (Basic): Move D3" + 1 pivot. +1 modifier to the next Restart test (Jump Start or End phase?).
- Free Wheel (Basic): Move D6" either forward or back (randomize).
- Mobile - Break for Air (Double): Move 3D6" + any number of pivots (doesn't specify 90° here - oh no what to do).
- Stationary - Burn Out (Double): Place D3 smoke blasts (5") within 1". -1 modifier to Restart test in the End phase per smoke blast.
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The scenarios are closely related to the boxed content, meaning that some of the scenarios randomize between Pitch Black or not. Please note the mat is double-sided:
Delaque and other light-flipping gangs would be even more abhorred now
Would the Core Servitor be able to shut the lights on/off in ash wastes?!?
This is a bit nitpicky, common sense would go a long way in this case. This is a remainder to show that when introducing new stuff (like changing the battlefield type), it won't be perfectly compatible with a lot of old content. It seems like GW make a 'season' based game where the new stuff (ideally) works within its own border, but pay little to no respect to whatever content was released 1 or 2 years ago. Rolling roads, rolling rules!
Delaque and other light-flipping gangs would be even more abhorred now
Would the Core Servitor be able to shut the lights on/off in ash wastes?!?This is a bit nitpicky, common sense would go a long way in this case. This is a remainder to show that when introducing new stuff (like changing the battlefield type), it won't be perfectly compatible with a lot of old content. It seems like GW make a 'season' based game where the new stuff (ideally) works within its own border, but pay little to no respect to whatever content was released 1 or 2 years ago. Rolling roads, rolling rules!
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Note that Aim only works on Fire all, but not Move & shoot , as that is dangerously close to “being intuitive” territory and we can’t have any of that.
Also wtf is that Burn out action, just why?! Can’t wait for van saar hoverstuff to burn out and cough out smoke clouds
Also wtf is that Burn out action, just why?! Can’t wait for van saar hoverstuff to burn out and cough out smoke clouds
Sounds more like the "get stuck" maneuver. Maybe that Orlock harpoon with the winch will finally be worth equipping!
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The scenarios are closely related to the boxed content, meaning that some of the scenarios randomize between Pitch Black or not. Please note the mat is double-sided:
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Delaque and other light-flipping gangs would be even more abhorred now
This is a bit nitpicky, common sense would go a long way in this case. This is a remainder to show that when introducing new stuff (like changing the battlefield type), it won't be perfectly compatible with a lot of old content. It seems like GW make a 'season' based game where the new stuff (ideally) works within its own border, but pay little to no respect to whatever content was released 1 or 2 years ago. Rolling roads, rolling rules!
Got to add some depth to this, as some of TK's write-up needs a key clarification,.
A "Stationary" vehicle isn't one which isn't moving, but one which has been rendered unable to move by damage or another effect. That burnout action, for example, is when a vehicle crew is broken (ie panicking), attempting to move, but are unable to due to the Stationary condition - it has the effect of making it even harder to start the vehicle again as they harm it in their panic.
The point about the mat - that is one, the introductory, scenario, Dust Bowl Skirmish. Everything else doesn't mention the mat, and use instead the Ash Waste environment rules and suggest bigger fields (4x4, or more clearly 4x6 for rolling road scenarios). It's a nice mat, just too shiny. Nice inclusion (esp. the night side) but of course most gamers will have alternatives.
Finally, JR, grav cutters won't be a vehicle; if they are ever errata'd up, they'll simply grant the Mounted condition to a fighter, but it may be they keep separate. Significantly, rules differentiate between "fighters" (which can gain the mounted condition through wargear), "vehicles" (separate model type) and "models" (both types).
One of my key frustrations with this ruleset is that there isn't a vision as to what it is at it's core. A modern streamlined skirmish game or a squad based RPG lite game.
They abstract things which would thematically benefit from complexity, and confuse things which could be simple unnessecarily. Resulting in a game frustratingly neither.
The gangers can't leave their quads/bikes/hoverboards, and can't change weapons but there's 3 actions for a stalled vehicle and a heavy chain cleaver is different to a chain axe....
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Secondary sumpage... Saw this on Warcom. I like the squat exo suit, but you'll need a lascannon to kill it! .
However this text tickles me. "You can get ready for the squats by buying a book with NOTHING TO DO WITH THEM IN IT.
However this text tickles me. "You can get ready for the squats by buying a book with NOTHING TO DO WITH THEM IN IT.
You took the words right out of my mouth. You have to keep track of how fast a mounted rider has travelled at all times, yet all vehicles can ride full ahead only to instantly stop in the next activation. Or even do a literal 360° no scope with Manoeuvre (Simple) + Fire All(Basic). Absolute nonsense.
Yeah the mounted move tracking is annoying. Also, does it matter if a vehicle moves 1" or 10" before ramming into other vehicles? Looks like it doesn't matter, only the vehicle's move characteristic?
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