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Necromunda The Sump: General hobby venting thread (Beware: old men shouting at clouds)
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I'm not surprised. I expect this model sells very well, I just don't feel like it gives us a very stable or enjoyable game to play. It also feels like the entire lifespan of new Necromunda has been one of not "look what a great game this is", but one of "you won't believe what's coming next, and that's when the game will be really great".
I wasn't thrilled about the Ash Wastes news a few days ago, and I can't say the recent announcement of "moar books!!!" has done anything to change my mind. I'd much rather just use repurposed GW vehicles, non-GW kits, styrene & creativity, and play GorkaMorka instead of shelling out hundreds for this new stuff - stuff that doesn't even really feel like Necromunda to me. It's all sounding like a bad TV spinoff, and the "Hey, aren't you excited for more books??" line reminds me of sleazy software salesmen trying to convince one that "it's a feature, not a bug... honest!"
I'm feeling the enthusiasm for the Ash Wastes being sucked from my body just by the graphic of the box followed by book by book by book by box by box stretching into the distance... Hopefully the models will be nice.
I think it’s wrong that the thought of new and expanded stuff makes me sad instead of excited…. I can only guess at what the price point on this box will be….
I personally am very sure I will enjoy the models/kits/terrains and the lore a lot. Everything they have done on those fronts so far I really like. (Except the Khymerix. 
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The rules are a convoluted mess already and will probably stay to be, unless there's a "big next cleanedup edition" coming. Which has it's own painpoints for people who have all those old books. (There's still understandable complaints from people who wish it had stopped at GotU. And there will be understandable complaints from people who wish it had stopped with HoX....)
I have already agreed with myself that any campaign I play or arbiteer in Necromunda will have to be heavily meddled with for me to enjoy. So be it.
)The rules are a convoluted mess already and will probably stay to be, unless there's a "big next cleanedup edition" coming. Which has it's own painpoints for people who have all those old books.
(There's still understandable complaints from people who wish it had stopped at GotU. And there will be understandable complaints from people who wish it had stopped with HoX....)I have already agreed with myself that any campaign I play or arbiteer in Necromunda will have to be heavily meddled with for me to enjoy. So be it.
In the darkness beyond is a stretch of what once was forest, now nothing more than a series stumps. GW trolls lift the last of the logs into the back of a truck under the watchful eyes of a smiling executive. "Trees for the book god" he cries and the reply echoes down the impossibly long convoy of vehicles.
On Ash Wastes, just read this from the Andy Hoare write up
"In fact, the wastes are so vast we’re introducing them with a massive new boxed set, which will be followed soon after by a whole series of books exploring the factions that battle across the wastes."
So its a boxed game and a series of codexes.
Hard pass.
"In fact, the wastes are so vast we’re introducing them with a massive new boxed set, which will be followed soon after by a whole series of books exploring the factions that battle across the wastes."
So its a boxed game and a series of codexes.
Hard pass.
This may be among several reasons why I am currently enjoying Black Spot on Netflix. Strange town on the edge of a stranger forest. Part crime show, part supernatural ”is the forest defending itself?” storyline.
Gone digital on the Necromunda books myself but I know what folks mean about the never ending supplements. Le sigh…
Between the rules bloat and the spectacular track record for writing convoluted, self-contradictory rules, actually bringing an official train wreck into the Newcromunda system is either genius-tier irony; or more likely a stunning lack of self-awareness. Wide open spaces, vehicle combat... what is this even going to offer that can't be had (and had for much cheaper) playing GorkaMorka or playing an edition of 40K with one's preferred implementation of vehicle rules?
I'll second @Heart of Storm : a hard pass has never been so easy.
I'll second @Heart of Storm : a hard pass has never been so easy.
The most generous interpretation is that it follows the Dark Uprising pattern. So big box set then a book for each new faction.
Worryingly there’s another big box five releases away. Probably followed by more books.
I get it, it’s been five years so they want to shake things up - effectively though this parks the hive and moves away into a different game as I worried about before.
Keeping up with these releases is crazy though - I can’t imagine pitching this to a new player who wants to jump in there’s just so much stuff and if they want a cheap gang box and scuffle that might be tricky if everyone’s moved on to vehicles, airships - titans! (Joking, joking... well til the 2025 Robot Wars Release box)
I think I’m suffering from 40k 6th Ed PTSD - everytime I try to catch up they move the goal and I end up with a load of obsolete books and models. What was that aptly named 6th Ed. book - Escalation? Actually I remember saying this about Outlanders back in the day - once it came out of *felt* (at least here) that everyone and their dog got an outlander gang and no-one played regular Houses anymore. (YMMV)
Yep.
Indeed - it’s a totally different game! They’ve scrapped all of the main selling points of Necromunda: skirmish combat in dense multi-level scenery. That was it’s USP!
Good news for all those who’ve been buying and converting GWs expensive plastic scenery for the last few years, especially those rare to find tiles!! It’s all junk now. Forget it. The underhive is sooo 2017.
What you need now is a huge table, flat open space and to buy some new Ash Wastes© scenery from them.
The Games Workshop (TM) Ash Wastes (R) Terrain Pack - take the twenty three books you've bought for N17+. Burn them. PVA the resultant ash to a 6ft by 4ft flat board. Welcome to Necromunda! Until we get bored and do something else - the "what TribeMeet did but a year later" system suggests it'll be the Sump Seas.
Here here! It's all doom and gloom about here (gestures to all the sump piled high). OK, yes, I see where I am...
I mean I get it, some people don't like this edition. But for people who have no interest in Ash Wastes, who want the game to be solely about Underhive stuff, this is the best possible position for them. Think about it: a boxed game, 3 books, and several boxed sets of Ash Waste material is planned. This means nothing will change the pure "inside the Hive Necromunda" game for at least a year! Surely folks can finish processing the House books by then right? And after that, maybe the venue will switch to the Eye of Seline for some Necromunda in Space, again leaving the Underhive alone for you to enjoy in boring stagnation without fearing cool new content forcing you to consume a new set of rules every quarter!
(Look I'm poking fun at the sump, don't take it personally)
At least it means there probably won't be any replacements for N20 for a few years. Now if only I could find someone willing to play N18...
Well TBH @Jacob Dryearth that was my thought after reading Andy Hoares piece. In the same way that Adeptus Titanicus is “in the same setting” as Horus Heresy 28mm game but has a different focus. Because it needs different game mechanics.
I’m totally treating this as a different game in the same setting. In fact, they might have been better making it more like Dark Future/Gaslands and a different scale so you could max out the vehicular combat.
But they haven’t.
Necromunda in space ironically would work as it’d mechanically be the N17 game box. EDIT: oh and they have said they will do this eventually - it was on a 2019 slideshow along with sump seas, polar cap exploring and Hive Mortis and Secundus.
Even though you’re poking fun, what you’re describing is WarhammerQuest. (Or NecromundaQuest if you like) Ironically, a different game.
I’m totally treating this as a different game in the same setting. In fact, they might have been better making it more like Dark Future/Gaslands and a different scale so you could max out the vehicular combat.
But they haven’t.
Necromunda in space ironically would work as it’d mechanically be the N17 game box. EDIT: oh and they have said they will do this eventually - it was on a 2019 slideshow along with sump seas, polar cap exploring and Hive Mortis and Secundus.
Even though you’re poking fun, what you’re describing is WarhammerQuest. (Or NecromundaQuest if you like) Ironically, a different game.
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You want to bet money this doesn't override a bunch of micro-details in the existing game? You think they can release new books that doesn't affect previous books? Of course you can say ignore all that - just use what you have. Sure. I could have done that in mid-2018 and stayed with the Gang War books. Or in 2019 and stayed with Judgement and Perils. Or 2020-2021 with house codex...
Feels like everything that is Necromunda sells extremely well, at least the "masses" seem to love it without question.
I was expecting to be underwhelmed by the LVO reveal, was underwhelmed across the board, not just with the Newcromunda cartoon.
I was expecting more books than should be feasibly possible - old ash wastes rules, from memory, would stretch to a single, reasonably sized, book, so of course GW wouldn't stand for that - and from the roadmap, that would be accurate (it may be that one of the "books" will in fact just be the rules in the boxed set released separately, but who knows at this point).
I'll likely gauge my willingness to buy the boxed set on the vehicles, and my willingness to buy the books if there are new things (weapons/equipment) that could be fun to reverse engineer to NCE.
The default position is, however, yet another set of Newcromunda releases I'll skip on.
I was expecting more books than should be feasibly possible - old ash wastes rules, from memory, would stretch to a single, reasonably sized, book, so of course GW wouldn't stand for that - and from the roadmap, that would be accurate (it may be that one of the "books" will in fact just be the rules in the boxed set released separately, but who knows at this point).
I'll likely gauge my willingness to buy the boxed set on the vehicles, and my willingness to buy the books if there are new things (weapons/equipment) that could be fun to reverse engineer to NCE.
The default position is, however, yet another set of Newcromunda releases I'll skip on.
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