Necromunda The Sump: General hobby venting thread (Beware: old men shouting at clouds)

[almic85]

I’ll just drop this here.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/02/09/important-pricing-news/

Not sure why blood bowl teams are more affected by rising material cost than other sets. Very strange. Almost like their prices are nothing to do with material cost.

It could just be that a small group of bloodbowl teams evaded the last price increase.

Down here in Aus we had a bunch of them not increase in price last year so the older teams were one price and the newer teams were another price with about an 8% difference in cost.

Also good news for us Aussies (and Kiwis, Japanese and Chinese) is that GW has decided we have been gouged enough and won’t be increasing any costs down here.

 

[Gunkaiser]

I find myself wondering if Hasbro will ever catch up to them (they're working on it)...

 

[Sundown Dreamer]

I'm always amazed and sometimes can hardly believe what you get to see everything.

Someone is actually offering an OVP box "Necromunda Zone Mortalis Hive Warzone" on ebay for £400 plus postage and customs. In the EU about £120.

The Hive Warzone included the same terrain as Dark Uprising and I believe it cost new around £110 at the time!

Just as a reminder: The pre-order of "Necromunda Zone Mortalis Hive Sector" starts on Saturday and there you get a lot more terrain for a lot less money. Aside from that, Games Workshop's Zone Mortalis terrain is still available from GW and in stores.

 

[Willnox]

Wait am I living under a rock? WTH is "Necromunda Zone Mortalis Hive Sector" ???

As for the price increases...I'm just really glad I basically play only old hammer and don't care about new editions...I've been playing 40k sense 3rd and I'll be damned if GW is going to tell me how to enjoy my game/hobby. Many players I run into seem so indoctrinated that they "HAVE" to keep up with the latest rules, the latest models. It's such a sheep mind set...for a freaking hobby that you can use one page rules and have a better time playing...games like Shadow War: Armageddon or Horus Heresy or Mordheim, or Old Necromunda, or Epic, Battlefleet Gothic...did I say Shadow War: Armegaddon? Like eventually you'd think it would pop in someone's head that enough is just enough....stop the abuse...just stop it.

 

[Tiny]

I basically play only old hammer and don't care about new editions

Yeah but my BFG ships need bases. Also GW still has direct order Night Goblins I want.

Best buy it all in the next 2 weeks.

 

[Ben_S]

It could just be that a small group of bloodbowl teams evaded the last price increase.

IIRC, BB teams have already been increased several times since 2016. I think they went from £20 to £22.50, £25, £26, and now it looks like £30 or more.

I need to decide whether I want those Snotlings, but I just overspent on more FG stuff, so I guess I'll go without.

 

[Raven Morpheus]

BB teams are still £26 on the website at the moment, 10% on top should make them £28.60. But who actually buys direct from GW? Better to use 20% discounters like Wayland Games.

Not sure what GW are up to with their website but the last couple of days I've noticed that they've removed the "how to paint" sections on pages which had them, i.e. pretty much most units they sell, and there's no listing of examples when you go to their painting and modelling section and select a paint!?!

I know they weren't always accurate, but at least they gave a ball park to start with for some colours...

The Citadel Colour website accessible via Warhammer Community is useless and some links from GW's main site, such as the Base paint tutorial link on any given paint's page (I tried it from Screamer Pink), give a 404.

Yeah I know, there's the app, but when I'm sat at my desktop PC (where I use t'interwebz the most) I don't want to have to reach for my mobile all the time, and my tablet is equally unreachable and about 7 years old now...

And you can't search the app for a specific paint to see recommendations for associated shade/highlight paints and most units aren't even on it!

Talk about unhelpful.

 

[Tiny]

BB teams are still £26 on the website at the moment, 10% on top should make them £28.60. But who actually buys direct from GW? Better to use 20% discounters like Wayland Games.

They're going up 20%. So £31.20.

They were £20 in 2017, so will have gone up 56% in around 5 years.

 

[TopsyKretts]

Finally it paid off to have all those gray sprues on the loft Got enough teams, stars and cheerleaders to work on for years. Not necessarily a good thing

 

[Ben_S]

BB teams are still £26 on the website at the moment, 10% on top should make them £28.60. But who actually buys direct from GW? Better to use 20% discounters like Wayland Games.

They haven't been increased yet. When I said...

...now it looks like £30 or more.

I meant we've now been told that they will soon be over £30 (20% increase).

Sure, you can buy from a discounter, but their prices will be going up too. It's still another 20% increase, just on a lower start.

 

[Raven Morpheus]

Ah yes, I read that wrong, 10% is on books, scenery etc. My bad.

Still, to use a well worn cop out used by many who defend GW - it's only £5.20...

FWIW I'm not happy about the price increases either, regular, planned or otherwise, ever. It's why I stopped buying direct from GW and usually don't buy new stuff any more. I go looking for GW stuff at cheaper than retail prices, often 2nd hand or oldhammer, if possible. Doesn't always work though, especially when something is oop. *cough*Empire Knights*cough* It's also why I decided to ditch 40k as a game to play and play stuff like Mordheim/Oldcromunda/WHQ '95 etc.

I also think recently GW have started being quite a bit more shabby (politest term I can probably use here) towards their customer base in many areas.

 

[Mr. M]

Buying direct from GW, at least where I am (in the US), is extremely expensive - the prices are terrible, and with what they charge for shipping I'd expect orders to arrive by private courier (perhaps delivered in a towncar or limo). I was priced out of both WFB and 40k as a kid; once Necromunda and Mordheim came out I never looked back - I remember when the selling point for skirmish games was explicitly "cheaper to play" (and I still remember how awesome that was when it was actually the case - or still is for Oldcromunda & Mordheim). Perhaps I've got a thin skin, but I find it offensive that GW has turned the "cheap/starter/entry" skirmish game that kept me in the hobby as a kid, into a price-gouging, cynical, move-the-goalposts trainwreck that seems to take its design queues from a Ponzi scheme.

 

[MusingWarboss]

I meant we've now been told that they will soon be over £30 (20% increase).

Sure, you can buy from a discounter, but their prices will be going up too. It's still another 20% increase, just on a lower start.

So you go to a discounter and effectively pay full price as before the rise. If you didn’t want to pay full RRP before, then this is one heck of a slap to the face.

Or it’s a 10% increase in price on the 10% discounters.

Perhaps I've got a thin skin, but I find it offensive that GW has turned the "cheap/starter/entry" skirmish game that kept me in the hobby as a kid, into a price-gouging, cynical, move-the-goalposts trainwreck

Technically it still can be, though the onus is on you to reject any new expansion and thus potentially get left behind.

In some ways if you see a game from GW that is low model count and looks like a cheap entry point then it’s <<BUYER BEWARE>> time as it’s probably a limited run one off box set that will sell out in 10 minutes after release.

 

[Greyhart]

The only "low model count" game I play from GW right now is Aeronautica Imperialis. I will admit to being a rabid fan and buying at least one of everything as soon as it's up for pre-order to avoid losing out on limited runs. LoL. The only other that I'm looking at is Kill Team 2.0 because several friends decided to port over from 1.0. Whoever laid out the Necromunda books must have done the rulebook for Kill Team. It's hard to find key rules and examples you need, it doesn't flow.

 

[NoOneII.]

Whoever laid out the Necromunda books must have done the rulebook for Kill Team. It's hard to find key rules and examples you need, it doesn't flow.

In some places I agree the layout of the rules could be more helpful in conveying what's going on. (Especially regarding the refreshingly new and excellent way they did Line of Sight and "who can shoot whom".)

But the rules really, really are superb!
Like in "this cannot be the same company that makes the 'munda-mess"-superb. (And technically it might be the same umbrella-company, but it is different teams.)
It's really worth the effort of wrapping your head around.

 

[TopsyKretts]

It's leagues above Necromunda rules writing. GW have some games they actually care about and it shows! Partially in how it's released (Kill Team got 1 rulebook, Necromunda has 4 rulebooks, some wildly different). And especially in how it's written (even if some KT rules are overly complex and wordy for my taste). And finally, Kill Team FAQs show great care for the game IMO. Necromunda FAQs are a joke... Haven't paid much attention to Underworlds lately, but that game too received great care in the past (again IMO). Blood Bowl is somewhere in between, but mostly OK (thankfully because GW didn't change too much).

 

[Raven Morpheus]

So, I contacted GW customer services re. the apparent removal of the "how to paint" sections, i.e. the sections where they give you a ball park on what paints go with which in their range, on their website, and received a reply telling me they have indeed removed them because "painting is a personal process".

Talk about guff. They really are disappearing up their own backside...

 

[cronevald]

So, I contacted GW customer services re. the apparent removal of the "how to paint" sections on their website, and received a reply telling me they have indeed removed them because "painting is a personal process".

Talk about guff. They really are disappearing up their own backside...

????

It's been an integral part of their business for as long as I can remember. That's just baffling, unless they've decided they don't want to put time and resources into competing with the things people post on Youtube and other social media. That's the only real explanation I can think of.

 

[Thorgor]

Real answer is probably something like "It didn't sell as many extra paints as we hoped it would", or the intern in charge finally left, or maybe something related to contrast paints?

 

[Troubled Child]

Why would you subscribe to Warhammer+ and watch painting guides if you could just look at the painting guide on the website?