Necromunda The Sump: General hobby venting thread (Beware: old men shouting at clouds)

[Raven Morpheus]

Real answer is probably something like "It didn't sell as many extra paints as we hoped it would", or the intern in charge finally left, or maybe something related to contrast paints?

Shouldn't matter if it makes sales or not. It's helpful and in theory it keeps people using Citadel paints. Yeah, yeah, I know, GW don't do helpful at the moment.

I've used Citadel paints for 25+ years, because I knew (or could easily find examples from GW of) which colours to use with which without having to experiment or buy tons of paints I end up not using.

I think moving away from Citadel paints will accelerate for me now, there are other less confusing more helpful "paint systems".

Why would you subscribe to Warhammer+ and watch painting guides if you could just look at the painting guide on the website?

Well, at it's most basic level it's a list of examples of which paint goes with which on the paint's own page. Are you telling me they've moved that to Warhammer+? How petty if they have.


Weird thing is though, that (as of 17:00 today) if you set their site to deliver to somewhere outside of the UK, let's say Japan, you can still see (mostly) the "how to paint" examples/recommendations for paints on that unit's page!

 

[almic85]

I’m not sure if it’s relevant to what you are seeing in the UK, but the Aussie website has changed the location and purpose of the how to paint sections so that they no longer just list the paints used but now show you all the paints and allow you to add them to your cart in one big bundle.

Basically you click on the little colour “swab” they show you and it lists out what you “need” to make them battle ready and then what you need to make them parade ready for either traditional or contrast methods.

They have also pushed the “frequently bought together” section further up the page so it sits right after Key Features section.

Basically they have redone their website to put all the yodelling stuff higher up the page so you need to scroll through it before getting to the actually useful descriptions of the product.

It’s the website equivalent of having your Maccas cashier asking if you want fries with that before you can finish reading the menu.

 

[TopsyKretts]

Life would be so much easier if everything had junk food analogies

 

[Tiny]

Obvious answer for the removal of "how to paint" sections is to put them behind a paywall. Thankfully there are gazillions of free YouTube channels and blogs offering the information for nothing.

Seems odd that they'd swap pushing the paints right next to the minis for "subscribe to our paid YouTube fanfic channel". Maybe the bean counters determined that the loss of paint sales is worth it to get a few more people subscribed to WH+.

 

[JayTee]

I can't find any examples where the "How to paint" section has gone, I've tried a random selection of units/characters from across the 40k, AoS, and ME ranges, as well as the boxed games and they all still have the details there. As far as I can tell, nothing has changed on the UK site

 

[Tiny]

I can't find any examples where the "How to paint" section has gone, I've tried a random selection of units/characters from across the 40k, AoS, and ME ranges, as well as the boxed games and they all still have the details there. As far as I can tell, nothing has changed on the UK site

Yeah, I just looked and they're definitely there on the UK site now. Maybe they just disappeared for a short while. I know their site was down for maintenance at the end of last week as I wanted to order some bits before prices go up, which I eventually got off Facebook as GW were closed.

They even have an option to choose classic or contrast method for which paints they recommend. Seems like it was either just a temporary removal or they put them back after enough complaints.

 

[Raven Morpheus]

I can't find any examples where the "How to paint" section has gone, I've tried a random selection of units/characters from across the 40k, AoS, and ME ranges, as well as the boxed games and they all still have the details there. As far as I can tell, nothing has changed on the UK site

Yes, they appear to be back now.

Last couple of days they've not been there on the paint and unit entries that I've looked at (which had them prior, not all do). So, perhaps rather than admit that they got lost due to tinkering with their website and not having put everything back yet, customer services were instructed to jerk customers around, or perhaps just the "customer service" monkey I got a reply from felt he/she/they should...

Who knows!

 

[Gunkaiser]

So apparently they discontinued Model Master Liquid Cement with the metal needle applicator while I wasn't looking. If I'd known I'd've stocked up a full case. Now good luck finding hardly anything with a needle applicator.

Not sure where to go from here.

 

[Greyhart]

@Gunkaiser I feel your pain. I'm on the last bottle I could find in local hobby stores. I've been looking for precision tips to use on the squeeze tubes.

 

[almic85]

So apparently they discontinued Model Master Liquid Cement with the metal needle applicator while I wasn't looking. If I'd known I'd've stocked up a full case. Now good luck finding hardly anything with a needle applicator.

Not sure where to go from here.

I use Revel plastic cement which comes in a blue “bottle” and has a removable metal needle applicator.

Not sure if it is available where you are or if it’s what you are after but it is worth checking out.

 

[Raven Morpheus]

I use Tamiya Extra Thin, Gunze Mr Cement (orange top) and EMA Plastic Weld. Both Tamiya Extra Thin and EMA Plastic Weld are "hot" glues that will go on with a brush, usually leave no mess, and literally melt your plastic, so will properly join your pieces.

Depends on the plastic though, not all plastics are equal and some don't melt well with TET and EMA, but join better with Gunze Mr Cement.

Not sure about anything with a needle applicator, I've always found stuff like Revell Plastic Cement to be rather sub-standard, but then I learnt that building scale aircraft and having to deal with centre seams...

 

[MusingWarboss]

There’s also Humbrol poly cement in a yellow bottle that has a needle applicator. I often found it bunged up though.
I prefer their liquid poly in a glass jar with the brush.

You can use a cheap other brush to apply it too if the included is too big.

Another +1 for Tamiya Thin but sadly no-one stocks it anymore where I am.

 

[Punktaku]

Isn’t Model Masters a Testors line? My FLGS had the plastic cement with a long plastic needle nose nozzle instead of the metal one. They don’t carry the paint line anymore though. Apparently that was bought by Rustoleum who saw it as redundant.:.

 

[Stoof]

I've been using the same needle applicator bottle for at least ten years - I just refill the bottle when I need to with whatever tube of poly I have. If it gets clogged I find I can unclog it by pulling out the needle tip and inserting it the other way round - the fumes from inside the bottle then eat at the set bit in the needle and within a minute or two it's free again. I also seal it by sticking a sewing pin in the end rather than using the lid - I found years ago that the actual lid caused more clogs than using a pin. Not necessarily helpful if you've already thrown away your old/clogged bottle of course.

 

[Troubled Child]

Run a lighter over the tip and it'll remove any clogs.

 

[Stoof]

Run a lighter over the tip and it'll remove any clogs.

This too, but remove the needle from the bottle first and be careful, as the melted clog will spurt from the end and it'll probably be on fire when it does. Trust me on that

 

[ClockworkOrange]

Yeah I’ve done it over a Hob before and it’s burst into flames - I’m now not allowed near Mrs Trolls new kitchen (strangly she thinks this is a punishment )

 

[Pacific]

I use Tamiya Extra Thin, Gunze Mr Cement (orange top) and EMA Plastic Weld. Both Tamiya Extra Thin and EMA Plastic Weld are "hot" glues that will go on with a brush, usually leave no mess, and literally melt your plastic, so will properly join your pieces.

Depends on the plastic though, not all plastics are equal and some don't melt well with TET and EMA, but join better with Gunze Mr Cement.

Not sure about anything with a needle applicator, I've always found stuff like Revell Plastic Cement to be rather sub-standard, but then I learnt that building scale aircraft and having to deal with centre seams...

Yes I use Tamiya and Mr Hobby plastic glues too. Very difficult to go back to the tube or needle applicator after using those, I have to say. And they last for ever too - think I'm still on my original Tamiya Extra Thin, and that's despite spilling the pot and half of the contents over the modelling table!

 

[Stoof]

Really small annoyace - In WHC's "armour through the ages" article, why would they pick images of the different armours that show heavily modified versions, not what the version actually looks like normally - primarily the helmet, which is the key distinguising feature of the different marks? MkII, fine (no MkI because... uh... reasons?), MkIII, fine, MkIV... sorry what? Mk V, ah, probably just a hiccup. MkVI - Yay! Beaky! Mk VII... ok you're taking the piss.

 

[Raven Morpheus]

Really small annoyace - In WHC's "armour through the ages" article, why would they pick images of the different armours that show heavily modified versions, not what the version actually looks like normally - primarily the helmet, which is the key distinguising feature of the different marks? MkII, fine (no MkI because... uh... reasons?), MkIII, fine, MkIV... sorry what? Mk V, ah, probably just a hiccup. MkVI - Yay! Beaky! Mk VII... ok you're taking the piss.

To be fair they do say in the blurb that particular Mk VII is a bit of a stretch. Not sure which one it was, probably either MK IV or Mk V, but "back in the day" one variant had a chopped nose Mk VI beaky style helmet, no mention of that...

I do get the feeling that GW don't like referencing older artwork and miniatures (i.e. stuff from the 90s when everything was cemented), even though they want to keep referring to (retconning?) their own background. Don't know if that's due to rights issues where artwork and stuff is concerned, or just their attitude...