The article suggests it is for HH; while I think it looks smaller, it doesn't look "Epic" smaller...
Necromunda The Sump: General hobby venting thread (Beware: old men shouting at clouds)
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I know what you mean. I've looked at single digit numbers of articles in at least the last month, and those have mostly been to look at the images for a few seconds then I'm gone. I had to actually double check that the Arvus Lighter was for HH when you queried it.
Makes me wonder what the point of HH is now they’re reintroducing HH Epic. Unless they’re planning smaller Skirmish HH, though then you wouldn’t want all the big tanks.
HH Epic is an odd move to take.
GW have umpteen systems, most of which haven't been given proper attention, and several of which have been discontinued for decades (Space Hulk, original Epic, Warmaster, man'o'war etc). When they have been brought back, they've not stuck around long (Space Hulk) or been generally been lacklustre and/or poorly supported (Dreadfleet).
Instead of maintaining existing systems and getting them stable (like they seem to have been doing with N17-23 - six years to get a ruleset right, while actually releasing each iteration...), they bring another system back in a state people are already not happy with (Epic without the xenos races!?)...
I recommend taking that plunge, Anvil's Patreon is excellent. Although I think I'd rather be signed up via Myminifactory since it's more of a one-stop shop for similar subscription services.
Anvil is doing a free bits bag offer if you spend 40 pounds right now. Can't buy digital products but may be of interest...
Mantic is also working on an epic scale game hopefully in the old six mm scale of the original game, because the new gw mini's do not really fit with the old school miniatures. They are like looking at new gw necromunda or 40k miniatures in general compared to old school ones. Scale creep has made the orginal miniatures redundant so you will need to buy all new armies - GW are right bastards.
Me too, I still check it daily but none of the article titles have grabbed my interest. Ever since Leviathan. Leviathan created the necessity to make a whole bunch of uninteresting articles, although I appreciate that they gave the model rules away for free, I have no interest in learning the new system. 8th edition was a hit for me because it was kind of like 2nd edition. I looked at the rules and thought, oh yeah I know this.
So there’s a post going around on FB with a “screen shot” of a GW reply about Necromunda pre-orders. Apparently the poster was refunded their money because the new cards are done and gone, and the rule book is out of stock and they don’t know when it’s coming back. “Try your local Games Workshop store or FLGS.”
This is reinforcing my decision to stick with the old rules….
This is reinforcing my decision to stick with the old rules….
Ah, the many wonders of how GW operates their pre-order system.
Normal Company: "We have more pre-orders than we've got production planned for! Best make more asap so we can get the customer's money!"
GW: "Hmm. We've sold more pre-orders than stock we have in production. Oh well, never wanted all that sweet sweet revenue anyway. Let's pay staff to spend time dealing with complaints, cancelling orders and refunding people instead."
Also GW: "Whilst they're doing that, we should remake some more games from the past, but alter them in some way to make them less appealing in case we sell more than we can be bothered with again."
Normal Company: "We have more pre-orders than we've got production planned for! Best make more asap so we can get the customer's money!"
GW: "Hmm. We've sold more pre-orders than stock we have in production. Oh well, never wanted all that sweet sweet revenue anyway. Let's pay staff to spend time dealing with complaints, cancelling orders and refunding people instead."
Also GW: "Whilst they're doing that, we should remake some more games from the past, but alter them in some way to make them less appealing in case we sell more than we can be bothered with again."
...it certainly reinforces my decision to vastly reduce my GW hobby spending. They don't seem to care or understand the frustration of their approach/plan and that's even more frustrating. It's made worse by @Stoof's observation that they don't operate like a normal, for profit business.
My late entry into NC17 during the early days of Covid lockdown led to the decision to go digital with the books I bought. Haven’t bought the new rules yet but at least there’s a decent price difference between the two ($38 digital / $70 paper). I get digital is not everyones preference but it is the best “deal” I’ve seen from G’dub in a long time.
Was chatting to my local FLGS owner about if they knew when the new Core book would be restocked.
No idea.
Makes it hard to stock games when people can’t buy the core Rulebook.
Apparently GW order paper items from China about a year in advance, so the chances of any cards being restocked in less than that time frame is slim, unless they put a second order in several months back. And the Open Hive War were openly (no pun) listed as a limited item. They won’t be back in print from GW for ages, if ever.
You’d hope they would’ve already put in an order for a second batch of core rulebooks.
Occasionally when they’re really pushed by customers they will use a UK printer called Belmont Press - though for some reason every book I’ve had from them that came from Belmont stank to high heaven of printers ink and the covers delaminated just by reading them. They still stink now, years later. Now I check to see if it’s one of those and don’t buy it.
So, TBH, I’d rather wait for the slow boat from China.
No idea.
Makes it hard to stock games when people can’t buy the core Rulebook.
Apparently GW order paper items from China about a year in advance, so the chances of any cards being restocked in less than that time frame is slim, unless they put a second order in several months back. And the Open Hive War were openly (no pun) listed as a limited item. They won’t be back in print from GW for ages, if ever.
You’d hope they would’ve already put in an order for a second batch of core rulebooks.
Occasionally when they’re really pushed by customers they will use a UK printer called Belmont Press - though for some reason every book I’ve had from them that came from Belmont stank to high heaven of printers ink and the covers delaminated just by reading them. They still stink now, years later. Now I check to see if it’s one of those and don’t buy it.
So, TBH, I’d rather wait for the slow boat from China.
What is the deal with those cards? Design is nothing to write home about. Quality is all over the place. Likewise with balance. And they are all available from the community (probably close to 1000 cards):
N17 - Printable Illustrated Custom Tactics Cards (Vaults Of Temenos - Cawdor vehicle cards)
A regularly updated printable document with illustrated Necromunda Underhive Tactics Cards in MtG format. Print them in A4 and put in a sleeve with a spare MTG card for stiffness. A folder with individual cards 👉 INDIVIDUAL CARDS IMAGE FILES Xiądz
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N17 - Resources (Territories/Rackets/Road Sections/Sympathisers/Relics)
All resources (Territories/Rackets/Road Sections/Sympathisers/Relics).
yaktribe.games
I used to have all the card packs a few years ago, but sold them as I'd much rather print my own (if using them at all).
Given that most GW stores haven't got much stock of anything that isn't mainstream 40K/AoS (unless it hasn't moved by some miracle because no-one is interested in said product), and FLGS get shafted on stock levels when trying to order anything in, even when they telegraph their pre-order requirements to GW, I'd expect this handwaving is with the full knowledge that if the direct source doesn't have any stock, neither will anywhere else without serious effort on the part of the consumer to hunt it down.
@Stoof's observation misses something; GW is a behemoth that makes "enough" money/profit doing things the way they do. GW have already made the money they were bothered to make with this (and any) release to satisfy shareholders, and they need to move on to the next FOMO release, in limited quantities to "help" justify high prices while keeping production costs down (if I make less of a thing, I've spent less on materials, tooling and labour to make the stock of that thing that I'm going to sell), that they have told the shareholders they're going to make as the "Next Big Thing".
I keep going on about Anvil Industry, I know. They're a (by comparison) boutique miniature company, I assume that when they make stock they make a couple of sprues at a time at most (maybe even casting up parts when ordered), and understand their stock levels to reliably restock when they get low on a certain item, and they put items that are taking up stock and haven't sold in a while into bits bags (as well as second-rate casts etc) to shift them as needed. When I've ordered some Anvil bits, they will have made anything they didn't actually have in stock because they have the moulds, they have the machines to make them, and they've costed their products so they'll get a return, and probably most importantly I have given them money in exchange for their goods that helps keep their lights on. "Shut up and take their money" in action.
GW, in contrast, have their shareholders and their invested money floating around. They have a global presence with multiple stores of their own across the world (except where they don't, and rely on FLGS to stock their products). If a store doesn't turn a profit, GW can just close it/stop supplying product, "amputating" it to save the rest of the GW organism. GW have manipulated the market to entrap consumers and fool them into believing there is only GW, no alternatives, as well as pushing for tournaments that you can only turn up to with "official" GW minis.
GW have manufactured a situation where they're always right, not the customer. For every person with a failed/unfulfilled order, there's more people happily buying whatever they can get their hands on without stopping to actually consider what is happening within their hobby.
GW: "We're going to introduce Primaris marines, they're better in every way than normal marines, and you're going to buy them."
Customer: "Primaris don't sit very well in the lore of 40K, they don't sound very exciting as an addition, I don't like the designs (jump-pack heavy weapon wielding space marines? Nerf gun missile launcher marines?) and I just don't see the point."
GW: "...We're making all the Primaris marines better in the rules, and making all the firstborn worse."
Customer: "Still don't like or need Primaris, narratively or in terms of playing them; nerfing firstborn space marines will likely make them more fun to play against other factions, or drive uptake of other factions where people still don't want to play Primaris, which helps with diversity in the hobby space."
GW: "...We're discontinuing huge swathes firstborn minis, despite the fact we still sell them in enough quantities to stock them in GW stores as "safe bet" stock, long after we introduced their supposed superior replacements. Most discontinued products are ones we've nerfed into the ground and/or deliberately don't stock in stores, or keep decent stocks of, to dissuade people from buying them."
Customer: "Well, I've got some choices. Buy the Primaris that I don't like, learn 3D printing or otherwise obtain third party minis and use those, or find the scalpers and recasters on the internet who will be adding a few zeros to their prices. And I really don't like Primaris..."
Whale: "Whats the problem, can't you just buy the Primaris marines, like I have done to flaunt my wealth at my local hobby scene?"
Simp: "Why don't you just buy the Primaris? You're what's wrong with the hobby, GW can do no wrong!"
Clueless: "How are you going to play the Warhammer otherwise? As we all know, there is only the Warhammer, nothing else... I'll just have to buy Primaris, myself."
Personally, I tried to buy an Attack Bike, some Assault Marines, and a Land Speeder Storm when the hammer fell on the firstborn - the Attack Bike is something I'd always would have liked to have, but was expensive for me, and I had no legitimate reason to buy one before. Couldn't get them from GW, out of stock when I checked. Put an order in at Element Games who couldn't honour the order because GW weren't bothered to have the custom and make one last production run for the stuff they were getting rid of. I could have still got the Attack Bike, but decided to just cancel the order - doubtless someone else will have got that attack bike, and good on them since they'll have needed it more than me.
I then put in ~£50 at Anvil Industry as I'd made some mistakes putting some of their Space Western minis together, got the bits in the post within a few days. I'm more inclined to do business with Anvil, especially as I need a Lawman/Outlaw mini for TribeMeet.
Normally, you should look at a place like Anvil Industry and think "they're expensive, I'll pass on them unless I'm doing a big spend project or I need certain bits to kitbash something", and look at GW and go "I'm confident I can get anything they sell at any point and their prices are reasonable". It's currently very hard to determine which should be which; if anything, they're definitely currently the other way around (my previous post about 6 minis from Anvil, in resin, being cheaper than 6 plastic minis from GW, being a case in point).
In related Sumpage, Mantic are doing a limited-run advent calendar game (an advent calendar that, behind every window, is a miniature/piece of scenery/token/dice, and when you've finished you use the advent calendar box as the board to play the game). There's no licencing issues like with The Walking Dead (which they might end up getting back given some of the licencing they've done recently with a TWD dice game), they're just producing a limited run (within the context of "it's an advent calendar for Christmas, they'd not sell it all year 'round", I'd understand, but it isn't worded like that).
Given GW's "limited run" approach to, well, everything these days, I'm wondering if I'll need to start worrying about Mantic pulling FOMO moves too now.
As there is somewhat of a crossover staff wise between GW, Mantic and Warlord it's something worth worrying about. Warlord already seem to be committed to a cycling between theatres for BA meaning that certain bundles are only available at certain times, but I'll take that any day over killing off settings/armies and then bringing them back at a premium.
At least that sounds like Warlord are ensuring that previous "theatres" will be available at some point - rather than "We might make these again as Made To Order, might not - who knows?"
Warlord are also totally cool with people using other miniatures. Yes, they make miniatures for their games but they're quite open that there are other options to play and don't force you to use theirs, even for their own tournaments.
I’m not regretting giving Bombshell Minis a try. I should check out their rule set, but it’s kinda Space Opera Fantasy so…. Maybe not?
My big problem now is that most of the minis I like are made overseas and I can’t afford that. Bombshell is across the country. So is Mad Robot. And then I think Victoria Minis has a US plant or producer for their products.
My big problem now is that most of the minis I like are made overseas and I can’t afford that. Bombshell is across the country. So is Mad Robot. And then I think Victoria Minis has a US plant or producer for their products.
Yeah it's more of an annoyance than an issue. Mostly I just want them to make more plastic kits for underplayed and represented countries/time periods but I guess they don't think they can recoup the costs.
