Necromunda The Sump: General hobby venting thread (Beware: old men shouting at clouds)

Yes, yes, you've all seen people slapping contrast paints over a zenithal base... but have you considered this video on...

"Semi-attractive young woman who has zero knowledge of the subject matter slapping contrast paints over a zenithal base."?
Why all videos I watch has comments like "Men of culture we meet again"?
 
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I pretty much never watch Youtube for hobby stuff- I can usually find anything I want on a particular topic (painting, converting, etc...) in a well-written blog post or forum discussion.

I really can't stand 40k lore youtubers. Do any of them actually read the novels/codices? My brother likes them and frequently asks me questions trying to get clarification on something. Most of the time it is some youtuber's head-canon junk that has no basis in the lore but is meme-able and gets clicks. So annoying. Read!

That's not to say I don't like youtube, I have multiple food channels that I watch/listen to while painting/modeling, and I enjoy watching GMM every day because I like the hosts. I just tend to stay away from the hobby stuff because it is either repetitive, derivative, or plain wrong.
 
A lot of creators jumped on the 'I try dirty down rust/verdigree/moss for the first time's

Bit none of them have done a 'I've perfected using this stuff' video. Eugh.
They won’t do - it’s not a popular thing any more and it’s also nigh on impossible to perfect!!

My first encounter with this stuff was on set many years ago now and the costume lady was using a spray version to - funnily enough - dirty down costumes. Beauty of that is that it’s washable so can actually be removed from costumes or props, though in some rare cases staining can occur.

The more liquid stuff we’ve got comes from that but it’s designed for full size props, 1:1 scale, so to speak. Putting it on tiny miniatures makes the scale wrong and often it looks less like 28-32mm scale rust on a sword or something and more like you’ve just used a rusty metal thing as a sword.

It’s also got to be shaken to the extreme, and both the pot and the destination is supposed to be warmed beforehand to get the correct reaction. The surface shouldn’t be porous either otherwise it’ll soak in and will just not react at all*.

Its also unable to be wet else it’ll come off or you’ll get a weird reaction which ruins the initial effect. There is also the possibility that you get no effect at all and just end up slapping an orange/blue/green ink-like substance all over your model and it looks awful. At least you can wash it off though.

Best I’ve seen so far is people attempting to exploit the weird reaction you get with water by slapping it on neat and then slapping a wet brush over it. That’s not how it’s supposed to work though.
But of course they get a video out of it by calling it a “hack”. 🙄

So all in all… I’m not sure how it got into the miniature hobby? I think people were using the sprays to weather scenery a long time ago and somehow it was thought that the product could be marketed direct to modellers. 🤷🏻‍♂️

In the end - it can work on big enough surfaces, like some large scenic pieces, where the effect becomes plausible. Though I still think for most you’d be better off learning how to simulate the effect you’re after using conventional paints.

There is a reason after all that top painters learnt Non-Metallic Metal (a 2D painters technique to simulate light reflection on metallic surfaces) rather than just slapping some chrome paint on!

Scale of effect!!!

*the spray just dirtied the surface. This hobby stuff is supposed to react when drying to simulate something - it’s not supposed to be on porous surfaces.

 
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They won’t do - it’s not a popular thing any more and it’s also nigh on impossible to perfect!!
In the end - it can work on big enough surfaces, like some large scenic pieces, where the effect becomes plausible. Though I still think for most you’d be better off learning how to simulate the effect you’re after using conventional paints.
Yeah! I found it's great for tying together bases and terrain, where I already hit with a texture paint, and a couple of browns/oranges. Just another imperfect tool in the arsenal I guess!
 
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As someone who actually sells the stuff and has used it a lot, I can confirm.... its kinda awful to use.

Its inconsistent, hard to apply and smells funny. Sometimes the results look amazing. Sometimes they don't. Sometimes thinning it with water makes it look better. Sometimes it makes it look worse.

It seems popular among the "grimdark" crowd, but sales are definitely a lot lower than we were seeing a few years ago now the hype has died off. They seem to be moving back to oil washes and enamels now.
 
I still like it. Yes you have to shake the devil out of it, and it can be hit and miss, but I've had fantatic results on scenery. The reaction with water can make it tricky to use with certain techniques (I wish I could use it in the salt weathering process!) but it's all part of life's (the hobby's) rich tapestry.
At the end of the day it's just another tool in the toolbox, not the be-all and end-all and as long as you don't treat things like this like the Second Coming you won't be disappointed.
 
I certainly feel that someone could make a video on how to use it properly but at the same time I wonder how patronising that might end up being!

The correct steps are literally
  1. Warm up bottle near a radiator, heater, stick it in your pocket etc.
  2. Warm up area to have stuff applied by using above methods or a hairdryer if larger
  3. Shake shake shake
  4. Shake some more
  5. Open and apply to area using an adequately sized brush to avoid streaking
  6. Marvel at it working so well/Curse loudly at it wrecking the model you spent ages on.

Could I also add that Ferrero Rocher containers are the perfect size to store these in, plus if they leak (which they occasionally can do) it will be contained.

You can store 8 in there if you’re mad enough to own that many. 2/3 of these I was given! 🤣

Cheers @Tiny.
 
Are the other products in the range (e.g. the moss) any better? Or do the same comments apply to all?
 
Are the other products in the range (e.g. the moss) any better? Or do the same comments apply to all?
They all work in the same way, just the colour is different.

I think the rust is the most… pleasing.

Moss is actually quite bright and applying it over a textured surface is probably best.

Never had verdigris.

Here’s a test piece showing what happens in the three most common use cases:


It a bit blurry but hopefully you can see on the water added one it breaks down the formula and it gets a pale white finish which looks wrong. Rust goes yellow. I guess for verdigris that might work out ok? 🤷🏻‍♂️
 
Corpse Broker… another corpse based thing? Haven’t we got Corpse Grinders, Corpse Harvesters, Corpse Guild and that fan favourite, Corpse Starch? I guess there’s no Undertakers in the Underhive!! Either that or one of the designers has confused Necromunda with Necrophilia.

The Narker… sells your opponents info to you. Don’t we already have a gang lookout, hive informant and whisper merchants that do very similar things? Lovely miniature but you could use any of these models to represent each other.

It seems like what they’ve done is make the same style of model several times over but for a different special rule and called that a character.

Yet they still haven’t given us a box set of civilians… there’s literally rules for Hive Dwellers on page 237 of the new Core Rulebook! If they want to make lots of interesting models tied to an obscure rule that’ll barely if ever see table time use - there’s their opportunity!!
 
Corpse Broker… another corpse based thing? Haven’t we got Corpse Grinders, Corpse Harvesters, Corpse Guild and that fan favourite, Corpse Starch? I guess there’s no Undertakers in the Underhive!! Either that or one of the designers has confused Necromunda with Necrophilia.

No corpse models either. New alternate scenario idea; Scavengers, but instead of loot gangs are seeking to claim a bunch of corpses to sell to the Corpse Broker/Grinders/Harvesters/Guild.... Nothing says grim like corpse, corpse, corpse.
 
No corpse models either. New alternate scenario idea; Scavengers, but instead of loot gangs are seeking to claim a bunch of corpses to sell to the Corpse Broker/Grinders/Harvesters/Guild.... Nothing says grim like corpse, corpse, corpse.
Yet the most obvious corpse theme is missing… the Scavvies!!

Pretty much all of their classic theme has been liberated by the Cawdor (scabby dirty scavengers), cannibals (CGC and seemingly everyone else now), the Orlocks got the harpoon launcher!

Where are the damn zombies?? Eaten before they could reanimate by the looks of it. 🤷🏻‍♂️
Escher have a few reanimated corpses and a selection of necromancer types now too.

@Narflung I have a feeling a scenario like that exists already…

I also forgot that civilians would be useful for one of the Uprising scenarios and a few of the bar brawls. Plus the Underhive Market is awfully empty…
 
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I'm not up to date with the newer edition of Necromunda so I wouldn't be surprised if a "capture the corpse" scenario existed.

While away on a recent holiday I made a list of around 75 ideas for underhive civilians, with the plan to draw then 3d sculpt a random one whenever I'm short on ideas. Now all I have to do is learn how to draw and sculpt.