Necromunda The Sump: General hobby venting thread (Beware: old men shouting at clouds)

[MusingWarboss]

So they're still keeping the exclusive limited edition gotcha cards then? There really is nothing about this release that appeals to me. How about some made to order classic gang models? Those I'd buy.

If they made those to order we’d all go bankrupt.

On the positive side eBay urine-extraction merchants would sob and cry…

They did do Mad Donna right? I’m not imagining that though… I’m pretty sure they did her and the metal Kal+Scabbs once.

I’d say wishlist what you’d like to see but I imagine it’d just be the entire metal range from the 90s.

 

[Punktaku]

I never managed to get any of the second edition of metal minis…. I’d like to see some of those again. Not all of them, mind you.

 

[Jacob Dryearth]

So I'm pretty sure that if you assemble the models in the WH:NM:S starter set as instructed without any kitbashes from the existing sprues, that you cannot use them rules-as-written in Goliath or Escher gangs built with the GotU 2.0. Their equipment isn't in that book, and the barebones starter rules say you can't use the two list variants together. Maybe you can use them if you buy the upcoming WH:NM:S:UJ:E:tHoB book (and the as of yet unannounced WH:NM:S:UJ:G:tHoC book).

If what I've been reading is accurate this is the most consumer unfriendly game launch I've ever seen!

 

[Stoof]

Can't wait for warhammernecromundaskirmishunderhivejournaldelaquethehouseofshadows... who'll give me odds on if they'll even reach that one or do some kind of reset/compilation before they get there?

 

[TopsyKretts]

So I'm pretty sure that if you assemble the models in the WH:NM:S starter set as instructed without any kitbashes from the existing sprues, that you cannot use them rules-as-written in Goliath or Escher gangs built with the GotU 2.0. Their equipment isn't in that book, and the barebones starter rules say you can't use the two list variants together. Maybe you can use them if you buy the upcoming WH:NM:S:UJ:E:tHoB book (and the as of yet unannounced WH:NM:S:UJ:G:tHoC book).

If what I've been reading is accurate this is the most consumer unfriendly game launch I've ever seen!

This is what happened:

1. GW is in the middle of releasing new models for the 6 house gangs. Van Saar got released in the previous edition, and the occasion was used to introduce them in the special single player campaign standalone box with the spyrers.
2. Goliath & Escher models released same time as new edition (N26). The occasion was used to introduce them in new edition starter box.
3. Since this is a fresh start, GW made a gangs of legend sold as book (instead of free pdf) so you can use all your existing gangs with simplified rules. This is for existing models, so won't include rules for the new Goliath & Escher models.
4. Rules for new models will be in journals.

This is GW's plan to add more reasons for both new and existing players to buy starter box. New players always buy the starter box. Existing players want the new models. Then both new and existing players also need to buy the journals to get full campaign rules for their old and/or new models.

 

[ClockworkOrange]

The most annoying thing is that this is going to split the community again! just stick to models GW, but alas they also have too many parts, they take too long to assemble to be fun, and the results are actually overly detailed for rank and file...Meh!

Is that a yonder cloud? Cool I want to shout at it.

 

[DarkMouse]

You say that, the new box set only has maybe 3 or 4 minis I like the look of
Ignition cannon, Escher pugilist, Escher repeater rifle and maybe the goliath medic the rest are all a bit of a miss for me

 

[MusingWarboss]

Can't wait for warhammernecromundaskirmishunderhivejournaldelaquethehouseofshadows... who'll give me odds on if they'll even reach that one or do some kind of reset/compilation before they get there?

Ahem.

What’s the bet that Delaque don’t get one of these journals - after all their special feature is apparently the only one included IN the new GotU book!

 

[MusingWarboss]

Just doing a bit of eBay browsing - not intending to buy but more just a casual glance at the state of things.

Well, the great sell off has started. Theres loads of now previous edition on there, not at rock bottom prices but at “I’m despite to sell this before everyone floods the place” prices. So still silly.
Warboss Recommends: Hold off a bit longer for bargains there.

Someone is attempting to sell the non plastic parts of the New Box set (delivered in 2-3 days! - hmmm) which I don’t think is out yet - so that’s from someone either with a preview copy, a retailer breaking actual release date or a scalper hedging their bet.
Warboss Recommends: Avoid.

A few bundles of 1995 plastic bulkheads appear to be going for less than the card tiles from the 2017 box set now.
I’m sure they used to be at around £5 a bulkhead a few years ago, now they’re down to £1.50-£2 a bulkhead.
I mention in the Musings thread that I wonder if this drop is down to the increased availability of 3D Printed alternatives now??
Warboss Recommends: If you want 10 originals, and you can spare £16-£17 it’s not too bad a time to get them. Maybe look into 3D printing.
Now is not the time to sell your collection of them.

2017 Zone Mortalis Card Tiles. Double sided, versatile, quick and easy to set up.
Seemingly popular now - is that because the paper ones given out with every set since Dark Uprising are pretty shit?
Is it because the New version also has a nastily creased paper mat that even the official photographer couldn’t make it look like anything better than a cheap poster included with a magazine??
Warboss Recommends: If you have a set - keep them they’re actually really good. If you don’t want them, now might be the time to sell.

Badzone Delta 7 Card Tiles - these are still holding silly prices online. Quite rare. GW gave away the rules for these for free a long time ago.
Everyone laughed at these at the time - no one really brought them. Now they never go down in price.
Warboss Recommends: Unless you’re a completist don’t bother.
I’d quite like a set because I think they looked pretty cool - but at almost triple figure prices - nah, feck off.

 

[Trafalgar Law]

Were the tiles ever in stock? I remember trying to buy them and being unable to.

 

[Jacob Dryearth]

Here is a quote from the article about WH:N:S:UJ:G:tHoC:

"Furnace Brutes, who are often deployed to forcefully claim territory from another house, and Unborn, which consist of those who, for whatever reason, have decided to become a Goliath artificially, with the help of a Doc."

How are Furnace Brutes any different from any other Goliath Gang? Are you telling me no other Goliath gangs forcefully take territory? And Unborn are now a list variant. Not only are they repackaging and reselling rules we already have, but they are restricting options we once had to specialist gangs.

Why not LET US USE ALL OUR TOYS!

 

[Punktaku]

"Why let you use all your OLD toys, when we can have you buy new toys" -James Wurkshoppe

 

[Wasteland]

Dark Sun is back and it´s going to be only for adults. At the same time WOTC proudly proclaimed that the source material was given over to sensitivity readers and those censored all content which may trigger a certain group of people. Furthermore they said that brutality and nudity are now a thing in the setting which proves they don´t know what they are talking about. Athas is a harsh place and Brom art never displayed gore shown off as with the new art. And also nudity was not thing. People mainly wore less armour and clothes but maybe this is again the same as running around naked for specific spectators.

And the architecture is way off. It looks like a blend of Blade Runner, Dune and a bit of D&D sprinkled in. Just ridiculous. So after the grognards rejected the most recent WOTC products this one is supposed to get them all back into the fold again. Problem is the comments are all negative in all the YT videos covering these news. It seems WOTC will take another L from that one.