Two handed weapon and basic weapon. Equipped on Same dude?

[Insurgent]

Can you equip a two handed weapon (sword, axe, eviscerator) and a Basic weapon on the same dude and use them both?

Slightly off topic, I have noticed some leeway when it comes to using multiple basic weapons if the second basic weapon is a shotgun. Some models have shotguns strapped to their backs and the Bounty Hunter is equipped with a choice of basic weapons and a shotgun.

 

[Ben_S]

Yes. You can even use two single-handed weapons, you just can't get the +1A (p. 23).

 

[spafe]

be aware for this though, if you give your fighter a club and a rifle, they don't get +1 attack in combat, but half their attacks are still at str 3 because they carry a knife, so if they win then half will be str 4 and half str 3.

 

[Ben_S]

be aware for this though, if you give your fighter a club and a rifle, they don't get +1 attack in combat, but half their attacks are still at str 3 because they carry a knife, so if they win then half will be str 4 and half str 3.

Where do you get that from? I'm not aware of anything that prohibits someone armed with a club and a knife choosing to fight with only the club.

 

[JimboDeany]

Yeah, you only have to alternate if you are getting the benefit of the second weapon (+1 A). If you have a basic weapon then the idea is that you can only use one H2H weapon thus you don't get the attack bonus but also don't have to split the attacks.

 

[Ben_S]

Yeah, you only have to alternate if you are getting the benefit of the second weapon (+1 A). If you have a basic weapon then the idea is that you can only use one H2H weapon

This isn't quite right either. There are benefits besides +1A. For instance, you can use a sword (for a parry) and a club (for +1 S) even with a basic weapon. In that case, you would have to alternate hits. But there's no point using a knife alongside your club if you have a basic weapon.

 

[spafe]

ah my mistake, I humbly ask the tribes forgiveness... I was explained that one with the sword and club not a knife (hence why you'd want to use the str 3 option too).

 

[JimboDeany]

Oh yes, if you pick to use two weapons then you do of course alternate. But you are not forced to.

 

[Insurgent]

So I'm dealing with a Redemptionists gang running around with eviscerators with exterminator cartridges on all his brothers and shotguns with exterminator cartridges on all his brothers. He can switch from shooting a basic weapon to a massive HTH weapon in combat. If he is using both hands to wield that massive eviscerator it would seem that the logic behind a basic weapon limiting your second hand attack is broken. The logic being your second attack is limited because you need a hand on your basic weapon. Now you have a guy using two hands on a Massive HTH weapon and no hands on the basic weapon which is presumably on his back? If the basic weapon can presumably be on his back while he is using a Massive HTH weapon that requires two hands, why can't the basic weapon be on your back when you use two separate HTH weapons or pistols in each hand?

Simple logic would dictate that you can't use a massive HTH weapon while carrying a basic weapon.

Or in the 41st millennium they could learn to use gun straps and we could consider a 10 credit clip harness necessary equipment to stow a basic weapon in hand to hand combat?

 

[Ben_S]

If he is using both hands to wield that massive eviscerator it would seem that the logic behind a basic weapon limiting your second hand attack is broken. The logic being your second attack is limited because you need a hand on your basic weapon.

But this isn't the logic. In NCE, he can use two different weapons - like a club and a sword - so it's simply not the case that he needs one hand on his basic weapon.

I agree that there's something a bit odd about how the basic weapon penalises someone with two weapons (depriving them of the +1 A) but does nothing to someone with a two-handed weapon, but there's no requirement to have one hand on your basic weapon.

 

[Insurgent]

I can agree that is the rule. But the whole thing sounds convoluted. I think a cool stop gap is my clip harness idea.

 

[King Redwart]

I think the idea behind why you don't get the extra attack for using two combat weapons is that the basic/special weapon isn't actually being held in one of your hands. It's slung to the side or behind you and restricts your combat ability somewhat (just not as much as a heavy weapon restricts it). So while there is no modifier you don't get the full bonus of using two close combat weapons.

 

[spafe]

@King Redwart nailed it... if you have your weapon on a sling, it wil lstill rattle, get I nthe way, slow you slightly etc etc... basically be a massive PitA, so while trying to use two weapons together effectively you get hampered... however while swining a 2 handed weapon it doesn't interfere half as much, so there is no penalty, unless that gun is simple massive and heavy (ie a heavy weapon), in which case there is always going to be a penalty due to its encumbrance.

Other times when this logic holds true is when you have a rifle, 2 pistols and gunfighter... I believe you can still shoot both pistols using gun fighter without 'needing a hand on your rifle'.

Hope that makes sense

 

[JimboDeany]

Clip harnesses are good but they do still leave the weapon right in the way if you were fighting h2h.

 

[matembe]

@King Redwart is perfectly right about this !

 

[Azzabat]

I agree with @King Redwart, but I'd also add that one of the reasons you get a bonus for having 2 combat weapons/pistols and no basic weapon is that you are forgoing range to get the extra attack.

Otherwise everyone would end up equipped the same with a basic weapon, a pistol and a sword. The basic weapon for long ranges, the pistol for ranges under 8", and the sword (and pistol) for combat.

With the rule stating you only get the extra attack in combat if you have NO basic weapon, you have the think more, and play differently.

 

[King Redwart]

Oh for sure the rule is there for game balance also but more importantly....I AM CORRECT!!!

 

[matembe]

Oh for sure the rule is there for game balance also but more importantly....I AM CORRECT!!!

 

[King Redwart]

Back on point. Didn't the OCE & LRB allow you gain the full bonus from two HTH weapons/pistols even if armed with a basic/special weapon?

 

[enyoss]

Back on point. Didn't the OCE & LRB allow you gain the full bonus from two HTH weapons/pistols even if armed with a basic/special weapon?

No, it was the same as now - you have to be armed with pistols or CC weapons exclusively.