N17 Van Saar Revealed

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The female Van Saars will have separate arms just like any other gang has, so no worries there, also there isn't really anything that you see on the Van Saars that isn't 40K or 41K, and for the 48 million time, the Van Saar's equipment and weapons are based on Alien/Ancient tech the House found years ago.
 
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Jacob Dryearth

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If you look at one of the Bell f Lost Souls photos you can see the cable comes out of his skull, right at the hairline where you'd expect a ponytail. Shouldn't be too difficult to replace it with some actual hair.
 
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I know people are anxious about their high-tech look being 'not 40K', but when you read Eisenhorn and Abnett was describing the high-tech mercenaries in Hereticus or the wealth and tech of Gudrun in Xenos, or when reading Wraight or French's inquisition work - one gets a sense that there is a lot more technological variety in the Imperium - these sit alongside decayed steampunk and gothicpunk in Pariah, an Akira-esque world in Ravenor, wild west miners and 1980s Outland horror mines too. This is an empire of millions of planets, of course there will be billions of facets of form and variety. If you did an accounting of all the styles of dress and tech that existed on earth today, you'd have 10000s of distinct forms, styles and the like - now imagine that across trillions and trillions of people, of varied socio-economic levels and technological production centres and so on. The idea of uniformity in 40K, although perpetrated by some of 40K's writers (ie the Cadian codex writer, especially, or the marines too), is a nonsense when conveyed to its civilian side - one we don't see but which in the images of the Inquisitor rulebook or Blanchian sketches or the work of Inq28-wondersmiths, is shown to be as varied as one's imagination allows. One of the great things about new Necro is it more and more subverts 40K model ranges' tendency to make everywhere a planet of hats - so Goliaths, Eschers, Orlocks, Van Saars and the Guilds which we have all seen can sit side-by-side. Most grand. There is no 'one' 40K, nor should there ever be.
In the spot! ;)
 

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I know people are anxious about their high-tech look being 'not 40K', but when you read Eisenhorn and Abnett was describing the high-tech mercenaries in Hereticus or the wealth and tech of Gudrun in Xenos, or when reading Wraight or French's inquisition work - one gets a sense that there is a lot more technological variety in the Imperium - these sit alongside decayed steampunk and gothicpunk in Pariah, an Akira-esque world in Ravenor, wild west miners and 1980s Outland horror mines too. This is an empire of millions of planets, of course there will be billions of facets of form and variety. If you did an accounting of all the styles of dress and tech that existed on earth today, you'd have 10000s of distinct forms, styles and the like - now imagine that across trillions and trillions of people, of varied socio-economic levels and technological production centres and so on. The idea of uniformity in 40K, although perpetrated by some of 40K's writers (ie the Cadian codex writer, especially, or the marines too), is a nonsense when conveyed to its civilian side - one we don't see but which in the images of the Inquisitor rulebook or Blanchian sketches or the work of Inq28-wondersmiths, is shown to be as varied as one's imagination allows. One of the great things about new Necro is it more and more subverts 40K model ranges' tendency to make everywhere a planet of hats - so Goliaths, Eschers, Orlocks, Van Saars and the Guilds which we have all seen can sit side-by-side. Most grand. There is no 'one' 40K, nor should there ever be.
Love it. Really well said
 

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So is the fluff that the houses manufacture arms for the Imperium no longer a thing?
It is. I assume the reason we don't have STC-geared, irradiated guard regiments running around is that Van Saar try to keep the whole thing under wraps and only brandish the best pieces of kit in the underhives, where the Mechanicus is less likely to be looking.
 
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Whee! Van Saar were always a favourite gang in terms of fluff but I couldn’t stand the classic models. These guys though… especially the shield and over-the-shoulder-energy-cannon that might be some sort of plasma weapon.
Really looks like the Blackstorm projector from Mass Effect, the gun that creates miniature black holes... In fact, the aesthetic really reminds me of mass effect, which is really two birds with one stone for me!
 
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In a way, I miss the old totally-not-fremen-stillsuits look the Van Saar of old had, even if the implementation was... questionable. Oh well, I'll just finish up my GSC conversions and prepare more arms for them so I can run the new lists.
 
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It is. I assume the reason we don't have STC-geared, irradiated guard regiments running around is that Van Saar try to keep the whole thing under wraps and only brandish the best pieces of kit in the underhives, where the Mechanicus is less likely to be looking.
Makes no sense that a faction dedicated to churning out arms for the Imperium would manufacture a small volume of crazy experimental weapons in secret purely so it can equip gangs of local thugs to go into the Underhive to find fame and fortune. Why not just equip your thugs with the very weapons you already manufacture for the Imperium?
 

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So is the fluff that the houses manufacture arms for the Imperium no longer a thing?
Van Saar (and other clan house) make good for the great house or the merchant guild, the great house and the guild do trade business with the imperium via Lord Helmawr. And we assume the house make the trade weapon using the imperium pattern(or watever pattern the contract require them to do), not their house pattern.
 
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HorribleHedgehog

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Makes no sense that a faction dedicated to churning out arms for the Imperium would manufacture a small volume of crazy experimental weapons in secret purely so it can equip gangs of local thugs to go into the Underhive to find fame and fortune. Why not just equip your thugs with the very weapons you already manufacture for the Imperium?
To give them an edge against the other factions' thugs? Do note that a Standard Template Constructor can manufacture high-tech weapons out of the most basic of materials, so it's not like they're losing anything by manufacturing some flash guns for their gangers.
 

HorribleHedgehog

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Could always chuck those irradiated guns to the penal legions, though!

Now there's yet another idea for a themed guard army... Necromundan Penal Unit 248891, high tech and bomb collars! :LOL:
 
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Van Saar (and other clan house) make good for the great house, the great house do trade business with the imperium via Lord Helmawr. And we assume the house make the trade weapon using the imperium pattern(or watever pattern the contract require them to do), not their house pattern.
Why would Helmawr buy weapons from the houses and then manufacture his own different weapons to trade with the Imperium? Or if I'm misunderstanding, why would the Houses manufacture a load of Imperial weapons and then make a completely different pattern of weapons for themselves. They may as well just use the Imperial stuff.

To give them an edge against the other factions' thugs? Do note that a Standard Template Constructor can manufacture high-tech weapons out of the most basic of materials, so it's not like they're losing anything by manufacturing some flash guns for their gangers.
There are going to be economies of scale with any manufacturing process, even 39,000 years in the future. An STC is just a database of plans to build stuff by the way, unless N17 has butchered that fluff too. Also isn't their STC broken?
 

DerekDecker

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Why would Helmawr buy weapons from the houses and then manufacture his own different weapons to trade with the Imperium?
Helmawr take control of every activity in Necromunda with the off world, any large trade deal need to be passed on to him. Helmawr do not produce his own good, EVERYONE produce good for him.
 

HorribleHedgehog

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I think just what an STC is has always been a bit murky, I recall there being a difference between a standard template constructor (a big dumb automated factory that makes things according to schematics) and a standard template construct (schematics for said factory). I could be wrong, though. And apparently the brokenness of their STC manifests via radiation leakage, but otherwise makes functioning stuff.
 

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One of the hardest jobs in the Imperium must be that of the Boob Armorer! Not only must that chestplate protect the lady's vital organs, but it must be carefully molded to lift and accentuate her bust as well. A difficult job to get right for the many varied sizes and shapes of the average woman, but well worth the effort!

:ROFLMAO:

Other than my old gripe about Boob Armor in 40k (and frankly every fantasy or sci-fi universe ever created), I think the models look good, but I think I'm with those who aren't sure they feel very 40k. Of course, I didn't like Orlocks either at first, and grew to really like them. I'll give these guys/gals time.