N18 Weapons which cannot be Disarmed

[lastbrat]

I cannot find this anywhere in the rules, but I guess there are weapons which cannot be Disarmed. Many exotic beasts, use claws, fangs, appendages or tentacles. None of these 'weapons' can be effectively discarded becasue they are not 'arms' (as in tools from an Armoury), so Disarm should have no effect on them. Right? Then there are some prosthetics or orthotics -like devices, like Augmetic Ogryn weapons or even a Powerfist - these are either impossible or very tough to get rid of in the midst of a battle (without losing a limb)... At least in case of some mutations, the Unarmed attacks are directly modified, so it's easier to handle. There is no weapon trait "cannot be Disarmed" as far as I know, so I was wondering how you rule in cases of such weapon profiles vs Disarm trait?

 

[Aulenback]

Since Disarm in the N17-N23 ruleset doesn't cause you to drop the weapon, but simply prevents you from using it instead of a shoulder check for this set of reaction attacks, isn't this version of "Disarm" more like "bat out of the way so that it cannot be brought to bear for a couple of seconds," only more concise to write?

 

[daveh]

im picturing the black night from 'holy grail'

 

[Beebopalulla]

I cannot find this anywhere in the rules, but I guess there are weapons which cannot be Disarmed. Many exotic beasts, use claws, fangs, appendages or tentacles. None of these 'weapons' can be effectively discarded becasue they are not 'arms' (as in tools from an Armoury), so Disarm should have no effect on them. Right? Then there are some prosthetics or orthotics -like devices, like Augmetic Ogryn weapons or even a Powerfist - these are either impossible or very tough to get rid of in the midst of a battle (without losing a limb)... At least in case of some mutations, the Unarmed attacks are directly modified, so it's easier to handle. There is no weapon trait "cannot be Disarmed" as far as I know, so I was wondering how you rule in cases of such weapon profiles vs Disarm trait?

It's kinda a all or nothing situation as anything that apply only a natural six.

DISARM

If the hit roll for an attack made with a Disarm weapon is a natural 6, the target cannot use any weapons when making Reaction attacks for the remainder of that round – they make unarmed attacks instead.

So the way i understand it's all weapons. At least Raw, There is nothing that stop you from defanging a pet i guess. But the next round let's say you don't roll a six then the fang grows again? No but it means that you prevented the pets to use it's fang the previous turn and he was force to use a lesser method of attack.

The main issue here for me is what constitute an unharmed attack. I read here that the fangs are "unarmed". i disagree here.

Unarmed Attacks: A fighter that is not armed with any weapons with either the Melee or Sidearm traits may still make close combat attacks, either as part of an action or as a reaction to an attack from an enemy fighter.

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And the Giant Rat is armed with

EQUIPMENT

A Necromundan Giant Rat is armed with jaws:

so what constitute a weapon then? are his paws what he is used for unarmed attacks?

 

[lastbrat]

I would argue that arms (and thus armed attacks) are artificial additions. What would be the difference between an 'unarmed' attack by a human fighter, attacking you with their hands/ fists and a cat attacking you with their bare claws/ fangs? Of course, from a pure game-mechanical rule perspective, you can say that "disarm"is just a word, which means that any attacks using specific keywords (traits) like "melee" are no longer allowed for a specified duration and instead an attack with strength S and no other modifiers needs to be used, and we call it 'unarmed' which is just another word. But from a standpoint of Roleplay, and the fact that many of the rules in Necromunda are simply not completely defining every possible action one can take, forcing you to think and fill in the blanks, you kind of need (my opinion) the narrative to help you decide how to act. Hence, using the words' meaning, if you know what I mean (no pun intended btw ).

 

[daveh]

if Chuck Norris shaved hi beard off there is another fist underneath