Necromunda Wire Wraiths

SleepySnek

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Worst. Modelling Session. Ever.

I hate the new Plastic Van Saar's. They're fiddly as f**k and painfully monopose. And today I got a reminder of why I hadn't fully committed to putting them together.

But let me back up a bit.

Earlier in the week, I actually, finally managed to put together a Van Saar list I actually liked. Sure, I can debate the value of giving up the ability to carry the Special/Heavy Weapon slots in my Gang, but I managed to get in six members. Which for me, is a record.

Then came the assembly. Sweet holy Emperor, my least favourite part about this gang. Behold.


So here's the two champions, Rei on the left, and Wolf on the right. Wolf looks alright, if a little lazy - when lacking a Telescopic Sight that was particularly Van Saar-y, a Space Marine Boltgun Scope works as well it seems.

As for Rei, well...originally, she was going to be based on her original model, a modification of this old model -

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So you can see how radically differant I've had to change things because none of the legs were giving me the pose I was after, and the Combi-Plas was fighting the arm joint. Even now I'm giving her time for the Green Stuff to dry, I'm still not 100% sure her feet are level with the ground, or if the Shield Arm is posed more naturally or ugh.

And then there's the Leader. I wanted him to be standing and aiming to his left with that Plasma Pistol of his. Sadly, when it came to standing legs and getting him into the right pose...


Yeah, two bodies and several legs later, and I still couldn't get him into the correct pose, even with the aid of Green Stuff (which probably speaks to my abilities as a sculptor). For the record, I was trying to avoid using the leg on the crate, mostly because I dislike that part. I could chop the crate out, but then finding something equally big to stand on is a hassle, and he's still stuck in the same pose...

...and I ruined my afternoon cup of tea by trying to finish the Sugar Bag off >_<

It's really not been a good day for me -_-

Any help or advice is welcome at this stage. I'm just debating throwing them into the trash can and joining someone with less fiddly models I can do some things with.

EDIT - Since this has evolved into a Project Log, I've decided to share some information and choices here. The full list can be viewed above in the Hyperlink.

  • Originally, the Gang was going to be a remake of my old Necromunda Gang from 10-12 years ago when I played the game with a friend of mine. Eventually however, I decided to just keep some elements and worked from there, especially given things like the revised Fluff.
  • Speaking of, while I kept around a couple of names from the old gang, most of them were thrown out the window. For some context of how terrible some of the old names were, I had a Gang Leader named "Obi-Wan" and a Heavy named "Arnie". I was sixteen at the time. While the nicknaming convention was kept, you can see why most of these names were thrown out the window.
  • Rei and Wolf were both models from the old gang, here reincarnated as new models. Again, I was sixteen at the time.
  • I actually owe some of this list to some of the lists I looked at here on Yak. At first I was questioning why people would forsake the only points where you could mount Heavy or Special weapons...but then I was able to squeeze in an extra Champion by doing so, bringing the model count to a record breaking six. Basically, I learned to level off some cool factor and tried to build more practical, mission oriented loadouts.
  • On that note, I gave Pulsar Mentor. It seems to be a less picked skill, but I chose it to start power levelling my dudes and get those precious Specialists and Champions out as quick as possible. His next level up's probably going to be Gunfighter so he can make use of that Laspistol of his.
  • Wolf has a Lasgun with Telescopic Sight because for some reason Van Saar's don't get the Long Las to start with. He was originally a regular Ganger, but I thought he'd serve as a better Sniper with the Marksman ability.
  • For all my talk of mission oriented loadouts, I'm not 100% sure what I'm doing with Rei. Maybe if I gave her Valkyrie's Smoke Grenades instead she'd work as a Support Champion...?
  • Speaking of, Las Carbine won out over Lasgun in the end. Both of these are pretty good - Lasgun is more accurate, while the Carbine can string out more hits on a target. Both seem reliable and you get what you pay for, however...
  • ...The nerf to Shock Staff's have really hurt my policy on giving folks backup weapons. At least the Laspistol stops them making unarmed attacks, but you're telling me they couldn't shave five to ten points off those things so we could get a cheap melee weapon like everyone else?
  • I've not decided on a Colour Scheme yet. I do have that fancy new Airbrush that needs using as well. Considerations >_<
 
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If you toss them, GW wins! take a breather and have more tea? I have no real advice as these are almost my least favorite of the new models. super glue? Pinning?

The issue I have is with the posing. Either there's a foot not quite at the right angle, or the model looks strange/can't balance on two legs when set down on the base...and I've destroyed many sets of legs going the cutting and green stuff route. Again, I'll let that speak to my competence as a sculptor.
 
Whilst it annoys the hell out of me that the new gangs aren’t multipose models like the old Imperial Guard kits, it’s fairly much common knowledge that these are monopose / as are most GW kits these days.

On that basis yep converting can be hard but I find it really rewarding when you create something truely unique. Maybe just take a breather and go back later?

Few tips:

You can bend plastic if you heat it up slightly in hot water but it’s not a technique for the faint of heart.

Bitz sites and eBay are good for extra parts.

Also google Blue Stuff it’s a good way of getting extra bits.....
 
I'll give you credit for going the cut/green stuff route. its not something I'd try. (maybe because the best thing I've ever made with GS is "soup")
 
For greenstuff google clay shapers and the GW greenstuff tool (the same is cheaper on eBay etc) and dip metal tools in water before using it makes a massive difference.

This is my latest kit bashing effort effort but there are Yaks on here who are much much better.

 
Wax on, wax off.. you must build before you can create...
Yeah, I'll actually not be an asshole and explain, give me a minute to take some pictures :3
 
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Ok, here you go.
You need to at least build them into sub-assemblies.
From there you at least have a suitable base to build from.
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From here you can cut off the legs going back and retain the buttocks and groin, then use the legs however ya like.
 
The thing with these fancy multipart monopose plastic is you pretty much have to tackle them like a single piece metal cast. So assemble or mostly assemble them. Then once the structure is there decide which bits you want and cut them off with a razor saw.

That’s how I’ve found works the best. Then you can reassemble the cut parts into a new miniature.

Now for reposing... you can repose plastic. Thinner the better really. Legs... I would think they’d take a fair bit of doing like that.
The better way is to try and locate a donor model with a pose similar to what you’re after and decorate it up to become your preferred design. Or in the case of the Van Saar try and use a set that’s closest to what you’re after.

It’s not amazing advice but it’s practical and you can often fiddle and achieve something that looks great without having to practically re-sculpt an entire limb!

I know what you mean about that daft leg on box pose. The Cawdor have another similar one. You might just have to do a box-ectomy and then be creative with posing or basing material.

Greenstuff is something that is well worth getting to know. It takes a while like any skill but once you’ve refashioned a part or blended a huge gap it’s really satisfying! You don’t need a lot of tools. I’ve got some old wax sculpting things. Cost £1 on a market stall about 22 years ago.

You can get ball ended things from Greenstuff world along with soft rubber brush things for smoothing too.

Water is good for smoothing but a lot of sculptors use a natural oil. Quickest way to get said oil... carefully wipe the tool against your skin, particularly around the nose or hairline. Sounds crazy. Works better than water though.
Milliput loves water and a blend of 50-50 GS-Milliput does the water blending well but retains some rubberyness of the GS but drys much harder due to the Milliput.

I’ll be posting pictures on my log eventuallly so you’ll see both in action there!
 
Ok, here you go.
You need to at least build them into sub-assemblies.
From there you at least have a suitable base to build from.View attachment 76461
From here you can cut off the legs going back and retain the buttocks and groin, then use the legs however ya like.

Solid ideas there but I'm pretty sure that if you glue the chest to the back without the neck assembly in the middle you're going to have a heck of a time cramming it in afterwards (I had to quickly pry my VS test model apart last week before the plastic glue set). You can certainly leave the heads & arms off.
 
Not at all, it slots right in with a push. You don't even have to shave the sides. I took the neck out of the female for that picture as a matter of fact.
P.S. the female neck is different from the male neck and they are not compatible without modification
 
Wow. A lot of replies, and I wasn't updated about them. I am so sorry I never got back to anyone. However, I do have some news -


We got him put together folks!

I did try the heated water method of bending a leg into place, but the leg wasn't bending. Could have been something up with the temperature of the water or something, but I settled on a rather impromptu Plan B.

Basically I cut the inside of the leg I wanted to use and get it to position itself.

A bit low tech and brute force, but I'm not going to argue with the result when nothing else seemed to work. He's even capable of standing independently from his base without falling over, so that's an extra win. However, I fear the Super Glue and Accelerator may have compromised on the detail around the lower chest a bit, but he's together at least.

And of course I was going to use the Guile Hair on someone. How could I not use such fabulous hair on one of my important boys?

A moment of silence please to mourn the loss of detail. Then you can all figure out how best to lynch me for ruining some of the model's detail.
 
Yeah use melty plastic glue for plastic on plastic action, superglue for everything else.

For superglue I always use the brush applicator ones as I find it gives you the best control. I don’t tend to bother with accelerant, I use blutack to hold the two pieces together for the extra 30 seconds or so it takes.
 
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Yeah use melty plastic glue for plastic on plastic action, superglue for everything else.

For superglue I always use the brush applicator ones as I find it gives you the best control. I don’t tend to bother with accelerant, I use blutack to hold the two pieces together for the extra 30 seconds or so it takes.

In my defence, I wanted to make sure the legs would hold together. Glue and me has a notorious habit of moving out of position during assembly, hence the use of Applicator.

That said, I'm thinking I should probably move this to a new thread? Seems the topic is slowly turning more into a Project Log.